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I think it might be good to have one person/household go each week to toll,
but that's probably about it.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020, 17:10 Joshua Burson, <joshburson09 gmail com> wrote:
> My sense was that it was...less than a request, but more than permission
> (encouragement?). He said something about keeping people reminded that
> we
> (I think he mostly meant the church, but poss. also the bellringers)
> exist.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bryn Reinstadler <bryn marie r gmail com>
> wrote:
>
> > From the CCCBR: "If you haven’t already decided to cancel ringing
> > activities, it seems that now is the time to do so."
> >
> > https://cccbr.org.uk/2020/03/16/coronavirus-covid-19-update/
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:03 PM Joseph Gurkan <jtg5505 gmail com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, gave permission.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Joseph Gurkan
> > > Sent from mobile phone
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 2:01 PM Emily Russell <linninniach gmail com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My impression was that Fr. Anderson gave permission for us to carry
> on
> > > > ringing, but that it was not a "request".
> > > >
> > > > Emily
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:57 PM Joseph Gurkan <jtg5505 gmail com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hey folks. I don't know if this was circulated but I wanted to
> > > >> pass
> > > along
> > > >> that I received an email from the Music Director that "Due to both
> the
> > > >> Bishop and Governor’s directives, all services and activities at
> > > >> The
> > > >> Church
> > > >> of the Advent are officially suspended through Palm Sunday, April
> > > >> 5,
> > > >> 2020."
> > > >> The situation will be evaluated at that time.
> > > >>
> > > >> To clarify, "activities" does not include bell ringing as Fr.
> Anderson
> > > >> requested we continue to ring as scheduled unless Austin decides
> > > >> to
> > > close
> > > >> the tower.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Joseph Gurkan
> > > >> Sent from mobile phone
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 7:07 PM Austin Paul <austinjpaul gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hi all,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I spoke with Father Anderson today after service. He fully
> > > >> > expects
> > an
> > > >> edict
> > > >> > from "On High" tomorrow cancelling all services within the
> Diocese.
> > He
> > > >> did
> > > >> > say though, that should services be cancelled and the church
> closed,
> > > we
> > > >> are
> > > >> > still welcome to come and ring should we desire. (He mentioned
> > > thinking
> > > >> it
> > > >> > good for the neighbors to continue to hear the bells.)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > With the current state of information, it is impossible to know
> how
> > > >> things
> > > >> > will develop, but I'm inclined to let people continue to "vote
> with
> > > >> their
> > > >> > feet" for Wednesday practice this week. I will demand that
> everyone
> > > wash
> > > >> > hands before climbing up the tower, and to use hand-sanitizer
> > > generously
> > > >> > and switch bells very sparingly. There is an alcohol spray
> > > >> > bottle
> > for
> > > >> the
> > > >> > ropes, but I very much doubt its efficacy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The decision about practice may change as new information
> develops.
> > My
> > > >> own
> > > >> > attendance is still undecided.
> > > >> > Please wash hands frequently and thoroughly.
> > > >> > And do stay healthy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Best,
> > > >> > Austin
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:45 PM Dale Winter <moikney gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hi all,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > just to confirm the situation as I understand it.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I have had a note from old North confirming that they need us
> > > >> > > to
> > > >> cancel
> > > >> > all
> > > >> > > ringing there til at least the end of the month; this is in
> > > >> > > line
> > > with
> > > >> > what
> > > >> > > Ed already found.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I wrote Jim at the Advent on Friday but have not heard back
> > > >> > > from
> > > him.
> > > >> As
> > > >> > > best I can read from the advent website it seems that services
> are
> > > >> still
> > > >> > on
> > > >> > > there, and so I think those as wish can likely ring tomorrow.
> > > >> > > If
> > you
> > > >> do
> > > >> > go
> > > >> > > in please be very sensitive to any requests from the church;
> they
> > > >> surely
> > > >> > > have a lot on their minds at the moment. Please do not feel
> > > >> > > any
> > > >> > obligation
> > > >> > > to go and make up numbers.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Stay safe all,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Dale
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Michael Tartell <
> > > >> tartell g harvard edu>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > Hi All,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Greetings from St. Louis! My plan was to mostly to stay out
> of
> > > the
> > > >> > > > conversation because I didn't have any specific guidance.
> > > However,
> > > >> > with
> > > >> > > > all due respect to Kat's friend's extensive rope knowledge,
> > > >> > > > I
> > > >> wanted to
> > > >> > > add
> > > >> > > > the following points:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > - While technically sunlight does eventually kill
> > > >> > > > viruses,
> > this
> > > >> is
> > > >> > not
> > > >> > > > useful for our purposes
> > > >> > > > - There's not much direct sunlight in the ringing
> > > >> > > > room,
> > and
> > > >> > limited
> > > >> > > > reflected light won't have enough UV to be useful
> > > >> > > > - If you don't get a sunburn while ringing, chances
> are
> > > >> > viruses
> > > >> > > > will be unharmed
> > > >> > > > - Direct sunlight won't help that much if someone
> touches
> > it
> > > >> > after
> > > >> > > > only a few minutes
> > > >> > > > - Alcohol-based disinfectants will work way better
> > > >> > > > than
> > > >> sunlight
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > - Retrospective studies have shown that transmission of
> > viruses
> > > >> on
> > > >> > > > surfaces did play a role in the first SARS outbreak
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > - Although the CDC guidance does state that "transmission
> > > >> [...]from
> > > >> > > > surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been
> > documented,"
> > > it
> > > >> > > > states in
> > > >> > > > the same paragraph "Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces
> > followed
> > > >> by
> > > >> > > > disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of
> > > >> > COVID-19..."
> > > >> > > > - I suspect the standard for "documented" cases of
> > > >> transmission
> > > >> > on
> > > >> > > > virus from surfaces is impractically high, and we
> > > >> > > > won't
> > know
> > > >> > > > this for sure
> > > >> > > > until well after the outbreak
> > > >> > > > - It's hard to differentiate surface transmission from
> > > >> aerosol or
> > > >> > > > contact transmission
> > > >> > > > -
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/cleaning-disinfection.html
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > From a practical standpoint, if someone is sick with no
> symptoms
> > > at
> > > >> > > > practice, you could potentially become infected through
> multiple
> > > >> > routes,
> > > >> > > > one of which would be touching ropes. Others would be
> aerosols
> > > (the
> > > >> > > virus
> > > >> > > > is stable for at least 3 hours as an aerosol). If cleaning
> > ropes
> > > is
> > > >> > > > impractical, not touching your face, covering your cough,
> > > >> > > > and
> > > >> frequent
> > > >> > > use
> > > >> > > > of handwashing and sanitizer would probably be sufficient.
> > > There's
> > > >> > good
> > > >> > > > evidence that both handwashing and alcohol-based sanitizers
> are
> > > >> > > effective.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > My initial thought was that if we were concerned about
> > > >> > > > ropes,
> we
> > > >> could
> > > >> > > > spray them with rubbing alcohol (70% ethanol or isopropanol)
> > from
> > > a
> > > >> > spray
> > > >> > > > bottle, then give them a wipe with a paper towel. That
> > > >> > > > would
> > > allow
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > > ethanol to penetrate into the wool to a similar extent as
> > > >> > > > our
> > > hands,
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > > > since it evaporates quickly, I would hope it wouldn't damage
> the
> > > >> ropes
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > > > lot and/or make them soapy while ringing. However, I have
> > > >> > > > no
> > idea
> > > >> what
> > > >> > > the
> > > >> > > > medium/long-term effect of alcohols would be on rope or
> > > >> > > > wool.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I suspect Old North cancelling everything has been this
> > > >> > > > whole
> > > thing
> > > >> > > > redundant, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway. Best of
> > luck
> > > to
> > > >> > all
> > > >> > > of
> > > >> > > > you!
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > -Michael Tartell
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > <
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > Virus-free.
> > > >> > > > www.avast.com
> > > >> > > > <
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:30 PM Richard Morse via
> > > >> > Boston-change-ringers <
> > > >> > > > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > Hi! Many thanks for asking about ropes — I think that
> > sanitizer,
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > > > washing hands, once Old North is back open, will have to
> > > suffice.
> > > >> > (The
> > > >> > > > > advice about a bend is probably not useful, as it would
> > > >> > > > > also
> > > imply
> > > >> > > > removing
> > > >> > > > > the tails currently there, which I am loathe to do…)
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I also, sadly, agree that days when we can’t eat on the
> > Greenway
> > > >> are
> > > >> > > > > probably not best served by eating in the Market instead.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Thanks,
> > > >> > > > > Ricky
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Katarina Whimsy <
> > > >> > kdsorceress gmail com
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > I talked to a friend of mine who knows a lot about ropes
> > > >> --here's
> > > >> > his
> > > >> > > > > > input:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > *"Linen is less structurally sturdy when wet, and can be
> > > damaged
> > > >> > when
> > > >> > > > > > drying if overstretched or not stretched enough." (I
> > > >> > > > > > think
> > > this
> > > >> was
> > > >> > > him
> > > >> > > > > > assuming we were able to fully wash the rope, I
> > > >> > > > > > clarified
> > > about
> > > >> > bell
> > > >> > > > > towers)
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > *"The best way to kill any viral or bacterial infection
> > > >> > > > > > is
> > to
> > > >> leave
> > > >> > > it
> > > >> > > > to
> > > >> > > > > > sit in the sun for a few days. That knowledge isn't
> Covid-19
> > > >> > > specific"
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > *"How heavy is the bell? If it's under 900lbs, then you
> > attach
> > > >> > fresh
> > > >> > > > rope
> > > >> > > > > > with a bend and avoid the whole issue between weeks" (A
> bend
> > > is
> > > >> a
> > > >> > > knot
> > > >> > > > > that
> > > >> > > > > > joins two ropes)
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > *If it's just the covid-19 you're worried about, then
> > > >> > > > > > it's
> > > >> really
> > > >> > > > > overkill.
> > > >> > > > > > Just make sure every person washes their hands with soap
> for
> > > 20
> > > >> > > second.
> > > >> > > > > > Make it part of the ritual of bellringing"
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > *He dug up the CDC website which suggests covid-19
> > > >> > > > > > spread
> is
> > > >> *not*
> > > >> > > > mainly
> > > >> > > > > > through contaminated surfaces/objects.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > So I'm feeling reasonably confident about the "wash
> > > >> > > > > > hands
> > > >> > thoroughly
> > > >> > > > upon
> > > >> > > > > > tower arrival, don't touch face in tower, maybe spray
> > > >> > > > > > rope
> > > >> surfaces
> > > >> > > > with
> > > >> > > > > a
> > > >> > > > > > little disinfectant in between" plan.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > ***
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Something that hasn't come up and I think should be
> > mentioned
> > > >> --I
> > > >> > > don't
> > > >> > > > > > think it's a good idea for us all to do lunch afterwards
> in
> > > the
> > > >> > > public
> > > >> > > > > > market. It's not very good for distances (so crowded,
> > > especially
> > > >> > when
> > > >> > > > we
> > > >> > > > > > have many of us around a single table) and I don't think
> > > >> spending
> > > >> > > time
> > > >> > > > in
> > > >> > > > > > an enclosed environment that sees a LOT of tourists and
> > > >> travellers
> > > >> > > from
> > > >> > > > > all
> > > >> > > > > > over.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > My plan/hope tomorrow is to come in either
> > > >> T-with-cleaning-wipes or
> > > >> > > > bike,
> > > >> > > > > > and to pack my own lunch. I'd love to hear other
> > > >> > > > > > people's
> > > >> thoughts
> > > >> > on
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > same.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > ~Kat
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:31 PM Danielle Morse <
> > > >> > > dmorsebell gmail com>
> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> Michael was talking about something like this, though
> > > >> > > > > >> he
> > > still
> > > >> > > thought
> > > >> > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > >> alcohol wouldn't get enough into the ropes/sallies to
> > > properly
> > > >> > > > > disinfect.
> > > >> > > > > >> At least that's what I understood.
> > > >> > > > > >> I have some rubbing alcohol at home, I'll try to bring
> > > >> > > > > >> it
> > in
> > > on
> > > >> > > > Sunday.
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Gregory Russell <
> > > >> > > gfr10598 gmail com>
> > > >> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>> How about alcohol in a spray bottle, to spray on the
> ropes
> > > and
> > > >> > > > sallies.
> > > >> > > > > >> It
> > > >> > > > > >>> would disinfect and improve grip, and should be safe
> > > >> > > > > >>> for
> > the
> > > >> > ropes,
> > > >> > > > > (but
> > > >> > > > > >>> don't spray in people's faces).
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:01 AM <lauradi rcn com>
> > > >> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> I reached out to the change-ringers list about
> > > >> sanitizing
> > > >> > > > ropes.
> > > >> > > > > >>>> The general agreement is that one can't sensibly do
> > > >> > > > > >>>> it,
> > but
> > > >> an
> > > >> > > > > >>> interesting
> > > >> > > > > >>>> fact I was given is that the virus can live less than
> > three
> > > >> days
> > > >> > > on
> > > >> > > > a
> > > >> > > > > >>>> fabric surface, which I guess would include linen or
> > wool.
> > > So
> > > >> > from
> > > >> > > > > >>> service
> > > >> > > > > >>>> ringing to the next practice session, maybe the ropes
> > will
> > > >> > > > > >> self-sanitize?
> > > >> > > > > >>>> Everyone suggested
> > > >> > > > > >>>> hand hygiene, someone else mentioned my idea of
> sticking
> > to
> > > >> one
> > > >> > > rope
> > > >> > > > > >> per
> > > >> > > > > >>>> person. I have decided to severely cut back my T
> usage ,
> > > so
> > > >> I
> > > >> > > won't
> > > >> > > > > be
> > > >> > > > > >>> at
> > > >> > > > > >>>> practice, but would suggest that someone clean the
> tower
> > > >> > doorknobs
> > > >> > > > and
> > > >> > > > > >>> the
> > > >> > > > > >>>> handrails at Old North after the 11 AM tour . (Dale -
> are
> > > >> they
> > > >> > > still
> > > >> > > > > >>>> running tours?) and that everybody do the full hand
> wash
> > > >> before
> > > >> > > > > heading
> > > >> > > > > >>> up
> > > >> > > > > >>>> to the ringing room. I left a new roll of paper
> > > >> > > > > >>>> towels
> > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > shelf
> > > >> > > > > >>> above
> > > >> > > > > >>>> the toilet last week. Each person should dry with a
> > fresh
> > > >> paper
> > > >> > > > towel
> > > >> > > > > >>>> instead of everybody sharing the same cloth hand
> > > >> > > > > >>>> towel
> > (or
> > > >> using
> > > >> > > > one's
> > > >> > > > > >>>> clothing). I also put a new box of tissues in the ON
> > > ringing
> > > >> > > room,
> > > >> > > > > and
> > > >> > > > > >>>> would hope that people would sanitize after tissue
> > > >> > > > > >>>> use
> or
> > > >> > > > inadvertent
> > > >> > > > > >>>> face-touching. And stop sticking fingers in the
> > > Cornhusker's
> > > >> > > bottle
> > > >> > > > (
> > > >> > > > > I
> > > >> > > > > >>> may
> > > >> > > > > >>>> be the only one who does that ).
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> Laura Dickerson
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> PS as a contribution to the popular list of songs to
> sing
> > > >> while
> > > >> > > > > >> washing,
> > > >> > > > > >>>> it seems that from rounds to back rounds is about the
> > right
> > > >> > > duration
> > > >> > > > > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxcyXE0TIBQ
> > > >> > > > > >>>> although my favorite currently is Gloria Gaynor
> singing I
> > > >> will
> > > >> > > > survive
> > > >> > > > > >>>> while washing
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