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Re: [m-hb] MIT Guild cancellation Fwd: Update: COVID-19 & Student Organizations
My impression was that Fr. Anderson gave permission for us to carry on
ringing, but that it was not a "request".
Emily
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:57 PM Joseph Gurkan <jtg5505 gmail com> wrote:
> Hey folks. I don't know if this was circulated but I wanted to pass along
> that I received an email from the Music Director that "Due to both the
> Bishop and Governor’s directives, all services and activities at The
> Church
> of the Advent are officially suspended through Palm Sunday, April 5,
> 2020."
> The situation will be evaluated at that time.
>
> To clarify, "activities" does not include bell ringing as Fr. Anderson
> requested we continue to ring as scheduled unless Austin decides to close
> the tower.
>
> Regards,
> Joseph Gurkan
> Sent from mobile phone
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 7:07 PM Austin Paul <austinjpaul gmail com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I spoke with Father Anderson today after service. He fully expects an
> edict
> > from "On High" tomorrow cancelling all services within the Diocese. He
> did
> > say though, that should services be cancelled and the church closed, we
> are
> > still welcome to come and ring should we desire. (He mentioned thinking
> it
> > good for the neighbors to continue to hear the bells.)
> >
> > With the current state of information, it is impossible to know how
> things
> > will develop, but I'm inclined to let people continue to "vote with
> > their
> > feet" for Wednesday practice this week. I will demand that everyone
> > wash
> > hands before climbing up the tower, and to use hand-sanitizer
> > generously
> > and switch bells very sparingly. There is an alcohol spray bottle for
> > the
> > ropes, but I very much doubt its efficacy.
> >
> > The decision about practice may change as new information develops. My
> own
> > attendance is still undecided.
> > Please wash hands frequently and thoroughly.
> > And do stay healthy.
> >
> > Best,
> > Austin
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:45 PM Dale Winter <moikney gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > just to confirm the situation as I understand it.
> > >
> > > I have had a note from old North confirming that they need us to
> > > cancel
> > all
> > > ringing there til at least the end of the month; this is in line with
> > what
> > > Ed already found.
> > >
> > > I wrote Jim at the Advent on Friday but have not heard back from him.
> As
> > > best I can read from the advent website it seems that services are
> still
> > on
> > > there, and so I think those as wish can likely ring tomorrow. If you
> > > do
> > go
> > > in please be very sensitive to any requests from the church; they
> surely
> > > have a lot on their minds at the moment. Please do not feel any
> > obligation
> > > to go and make up numbers.
> > >
> > > Stay safe all,
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Michael Tartell <tartell g harvard
> > > edu
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Greetings from St. Louis! My plan was to mostly to stay out of the
> > > > conversation because I didn't have any specific guidance. However,
> > with
> > > > all due respect to Kat's friend's extensive rope knowledge, I
> > > > wanted
> to
> > > add
> > > > the following points:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - While technically sunlight does eventually kill viruses, this
> > > > is
> > not
> > > > useful for our purposes
> > > > - There's not much direct sunlight in the ringing room, and
> > limited
> > > > reflected light won't have enough UV to be useful
> > > > - If you don't get a sunburn while ringing, chances are
> > viruses
> > > > will be unharmed
> > > > - Direct sunlight won't help that much if someone touches it
> > after
> > > > only a few minutes
> > > > - Alcohol-based disinfectants will work way better than
> sunlight
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Retrospective studies have shown that transmission of viruses
> > > > on
> > > > surfaces did play a role in the first SARS outbreak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Although the CDC guidance does state that "transmission
> [...]from
> > > > surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been documented,"
> > > > it
> > > > states in
> > > > the same paragraph "Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces followed
> > > > by
> > > > disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of
> > COVID-19..."
> > > > - I suspect the standard for "documented" cases of
> > > > transmission
> > on
> > > > virus from surfaces is impractically high, and we won't know
> > > > this for sure
> > > > until well after the outbreak
> > > > - It's hard to differentiate surface transmission from
> > > > aerosol
> or
> > > > contact transmission
> > > > -
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/cleaning-disinfection.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From a practical standpoint, if someone is sick with no symptoms at
> > > > practice, you could potentially become infected through multiple
> > routes,
> > > > one of which would be touching ropes. Others would be aerosols
> > > > (the
> > > virus
> > > > is stable for at least 3 hours as an aerosol). If cleaning ropes
> > > > is
> > > > impractical, not touching your face, covering your cough, and
> frequent
> > > use
> > > > of handwashing and sanitizer would probably be sufficient. There's
> > good
> > > > evidence that both handwashing and alcohol-based sanitizers are
> > > effective.
> > > >
> > > > My initial thought was that if we were concerned about ropes, we
> could
> > > > spray them with rubbing alcohol (70% ethanol or isopropanol) from a
> > spray
> > > > bottle, then give them a wipe with a paper towel. That would allow
> the
> > > > ethanol to penetrate into the wool to a similar extent as our
> > > > hands,
> > and
> > > > since it evaporates quickly, I would hope it wouldn't damage the
> ropes
> > a
> > > > lot and/or make them soapy while ringing. However, I have no idea
> what
> > > the
> > > > medium/long-term effect of alcohols would be on rope or wool.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect Old North cancelling everything has been this whole thing
> > > > redundant, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway. Best of luck
> > > > to
> > all
> > > of
> > > > you!
> > > >
> > > > -Michael Tartell
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:30 PM Richard Morse via
> > Boston-change-ringers <
> > > > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi! Many thanks for asking about ropes — I think that sanitizer,
> and
> > > > > washing hands, once Old North is back open, will have to suffice.
> > (The
> > > > > advice about a bend is probably not useful, as it would also
> > > > > imply
> > > > removing
> > > > > the tails currently there, which I am loathe to do…)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also, sadly, agree that days when we can’t eat on the Greenway
> are
> > > > > probably not best served by eating in the Market instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ricky
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Katarina Whimsy <
> > kdsorceress gmail com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I talked to a friend of mine who knows a lot about ropes
> > > > > > --here's
> > his
> > > > > > input:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"Linen is less structurally sturdy when wet, and can be
> > > > > > damaged
> > when
> > > > > > drying if overstretched or not stretched enough." (I think this
> was
> > > him
> > > > > > assuming we were able to fully wash the rope, I clarified about
> > bell
> > > > > towers)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"The best way to kill any viral or bacterial infection is to
> leave
> > > it
> > > > to
> > > > > > sit in the sun for a few days. That knowledge isn't Covid-19
> > > specific"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"How heavy is the bell? If it's under 900lbs, then you attach
> > fresh
> > > > rope
> > > > > > with a bend and avoid the whole issue between weeks" (A bend
> > > > > > is a
> > > knot
> > > > > that
> > > > > > joins two ropes)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *If it's just the covid-19 you're worried about, then it's
> > > > > > really
> > > > > overkill.
> > > > > > Just make sure every person washes their hands with soap for 20
> > > second.
> > > > > > Make it part of the ritual of bellringing"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *He dug up the CDC website which suggests covid-19 spread is
> *not*
> > > > mainly
> > > > > > through contaminated surfaces/objects.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I'm feeling reasonably confident about the "wash hands
> > thoroughly
> > > > upon
> > > > > > tower arrival, don't touch face in tower, maybe spray rope
> surfaces
> > > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > little disinfectant in between" plan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Something that hasn't come up and I think should be mentioned
> > > > > > --I
> > > don't
> > > > > > think it's a good idea for us all to do lunch afterwards in the
> > > public
> > > > > > market. It's not very good for distances (so crowded,
> > > > > > especially
> > when
> > > > we
> > > > > > have many of us around a single table) and I don't think
> > > > > > spending
> > > time
> > > > in
> > > > > > an enclosed environment that sees a LOT of tourists and
> travellers
> > > from
> > > > > all
> > > > > > over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My plan/hope tomorrow is to come in either
> > > > > > T-with-cleaning-wipes
> or
> > > > bike,
> > > > > > and to pack my own lunch. I'd love to hear other people's
> thoughts
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Kat
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:31 PM Danielle Morse <
> > > dmorsebell gmail com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Michael was talking about something like this, though he still
> > > thought
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> alcohol wouldn't get enough into the ropes/sallies to properly
> > > > > disinfect.
> > > > > >> At least that's what I understood.
> > > > > >> I have some rubbing alcohol at home, I'll try to bring it in
> > > > > >> on
> > > > Sunday.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Gregory Russell <
> > > gfr10598 gmail com>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> How about alcohol in a spray bottle, to spray on the ropes
> > > > > >>> and
> > > > sallies.
> > > > > >> It
> > > > > >>> would disinfect and improve grip, and should be safe for the
> > ropes,
> > > > > (but
> > > > > >>> don't spray in people's faces).
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:01 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I reached out to the change-ringers list about
> > > > > >>>> sanitizing
> > > > ropes.
> > > > > >>>> The general agreement is that one can't sensibly do it, but
> > > > > >>>> an
> > > > > >>> interesting
> > > > > >>>> fact I was given is that the virus can live less than three
> days
> > > on
> > > > a
> > > > > >>>> fabric surface, which I guess would include linen or wool.
> > > > > >>>> So
> > from
> > > > > >>> service
> > > > > >>>> ringing to the next practice session, maybe the ropes will
> > > > > >> self-sanitize?
> > > > > >>>> Everyone suggested
> > > > > >>>> hand hygiene, someone else mentioned my idea of sticking to
> one
> > > rope
> > > > > >> per
> > > > > >>>> person. I have decided to severely cut back my T usage ,
> > > > > >>>> so I
> > > won't
> > > > > be
> > > > > >>> at
> > > > > >>>> practice, but would suggest that someone clean the tower
> > doorknobs
> > > > and
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>>> handrails at Old North after the 11 AM tour . (Dale - are
> > > > > >>>> they
> > > still
> > > > > >>>> running tours?) and that everybody do the full hand wash
> before
> > > > > heading
> > > > > >>> up
> > > > > >>>> to the ringing room. I left a new roll of paper towels on
> > > > > >>>> the
> > > shelf
> > > > > >>> above
> > > > > >>>> the toilet last week. Each person should dry with a fresh
> paper
> > > > towel
> > > > > >>>> instead of everybody sharing the same cloth hand towel (or
> using
> > > > one's
> > > > > >>>> clothing). I also put a new box of tissues in the ON
> > > > > >>>> ringing
> > > room,
> > > > > and
> > > > > >>>> would hope that people would sanitize after tissue use or
> > > > inadvertent
> > > > > >>>> face-touching. And stop sticking fingers in the Cornhusker's
> > > bottle
> > > > (
> > > > > I
> > > > > >>> may
> > > > > >>>> be the only one who does that ).
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Laura Dickerson
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> PS as a contribution to the popular list of songs to sing
> while
> > > > > >> washing,
> > > > > >>>> it seems that from rounds to back rounds is about the right
> > > duration
> > > > > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxcyXE0TIBQ
> > > > > >>>> although my favorite currently is Gloria Gaynor singing I
> > > > > >>>> will
> > > > survive
> > > > > >>>> while washing
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