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Re: [m-hb] MIT Guild cancellation Fwd: Update: COVID-19 & Student Organizations
Hi all,
just to confirm the situation as I understand it.
I have had a note from old North confirming that they need us to cancel all
ringing there til at least the end of the month; this is in line with what
Ed already found.
I wrote Jim at the Advent on Friday but have not heard back from him. As
best I can read from the advent website it seems that services are still on
there, and so I think those as wish can likely ring tomorrow. If you do go
in please be very sensitive to any requests from the church; they surely
have a lot on their minds at the moment. Please do not feel any obligation
to go and make up numbers.
Stay safe all,
Dale
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Michael Tartell <tartell g harvard edu>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Greetings from St. Louis! My plan was to mostly to stay out of the
> conversation because I didn't have any specific guidance. However, with
> all due respect to Kat's friend's extensive rope knowledge, I wanted to
> add
> the following points:
>
>
> - While technically sunlight does eventually kill viruses, this is not
> useful for our purposes
> - There's not much direct sunlight in the ringing room, and limited
> reflected light won't have enough UV to be useful
> - If you don't get a sunburn while ringing, chances are viruses
> will be unharmed
> - Direct sunlight won't help that much if someone touches it after
> only a few minutes
> - Alcohol-based disinfectants will work way better than sunlight
>
>
> - Retrospective studies have shown that transmission of viruses on
> surfaces did play a role in the first SARS outbreak
>
>
> - Although the CDC guidance does state that "transmission [...]from
> surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been documented," it
> states in
> the same paragraph "Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces followed by
> disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of COVID-19..."
> - I suspect the standard for "documented" cases of transmission on
> virus from surfaces is impractically high, and we won't know
> this for sure
> until well after the outbreak
> - It's hard to differentiate surface transmission from aerosol or
> contact transmission
> -
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/cleaning-disinfection.html
>
>
> From a practical standpoint, if someone is sick with no symptoms at
> practice, you could potentially become infected through multiple routes,
> one of which would be touching ropes. Others would be aerosols (the
> virus
> is stable for at least 3 hours as an aerosol). If cleaning ropes is
> impractical, not touching your face, covering your cough, and frequent
> use
> of handwashing and sanitizer would probably be sufficient. There's good
> evidence that both handwashing and alcohol-based sanitizers are
> effective.
>
> My initial thought was that if we were concerned about ropes, we could
> spray them with rubbing alcohol (70% ethanol or isopropanol) from a spray
> bottle, then give them a wipe with a paper towel. That would allow the
> ethanol to penetrate into the wool to a similar extent as our hands, and
> since it evaporates quickly, I would hope it wouldn't damage the ropes a
> lot and/or make them soapy while ringing. However, I have no idea what
> the
> medium/long-term effect of alcohols would be on rope or wool.
>
> I suspect Old North cancelling everything has been this whole thing
> redundant, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway. Best of luck to all
> of
> you!
>
> -Michael Tartell
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> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:30 PM Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers <
> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi! Many thanks for asking about ropes — I think that sanitizer, and
> > washing hands, once Old North is back open, will have to suffice. (The
> > advice about a bend is probably not useful, as it would also imply
> removing
> > the tails currently there, which I am loathe to do…)
> >
> > I also, sadly, agree that days when we can’t eat on the Greenway are
> > probably not best served by eating in the Market instead.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ricky
> >
> > > On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Katarina Whimsy <kdsorceress gmail com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I talked to a friend of mine who knows a lot about ropes --here's his
> > > input:
> > >
> > > *"Linen is less structurally sturdy when wet, and can be damaged when
> > > drying if overstretched or not stretched enough." (I think this was
> > > him
> > > assuming we were able to fully wash the rope, I clarified about bell
> > towers)
> > >
> > > *"The best way to kill any viral or bacterial infection is to leave
> > > it
> to
> > > sit in the sun for a few days. That knowledge isn't Covid-19
> > > specific"
> > >
> > > *"How heavy is the bell? If it's under 900lbs, then you attach fresh
> rope
> > > with a bend and avoid the whole issue between weeks" (A bend is a
> > > knot
> > that
> > > joins two ropes)
> > >
> > > *If it's just the covid-19 you're worried about, then it's really
> > overkill.
> > > Just make sure every person washes their hands with soap for 20
> > > second.
> > > Make it part of the ritual of bellringing"
> > >
> > > *He dug up the CDC website which suggests covid-19 spread is *not*
> mainly
> > > through contaminated surfaces/objects.
> > >
> > > So I'm feeling reasonably confident about the "wash hands thoroughly
> upon
> > > tower arrival, don't touch face in tower, maybe spray rope surfaces
> with
> > a
> > > little disinfectant in between" plan.
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > Something that hasn't come up and I think should be mentioned --I
> > > don't
> > > think it's a good idea for us all to do lunch afterwards in the
> > > public
> > > market. It's not very good for distances (so crowded, especially when
> we
> > > have many of us around a single table) and I don't think spending
> > > time
> in
> > > an enclosed environment that sees a LOT of tourists and travellers
> > > from
> > all
> > > over.
> > >
> > > My plan/hope tomorrow is to come in either T-with-cleaning-wipes or
> bike,
> > > and to pack my own lunch. I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on
> the
> > > same.
> > >
> > > ~Kat
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:31 PM Danielle Morse <dmorsebell gmail
> > > com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Michael was talking about something like this, though he still
> > >> thought
> > the
> > >> alcohol wouldn't get enough into the ropes/sallies to properly
> > disinfect.
> > >> At least that's what I understood.
> > >> I have some rubbing alcohol at home, I'll try to bring it in on
> Sunday.
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail
> > >> com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> How about alcohol in a spray bottle, to spray on the ropes and
> sallies.
> > >> It
> > >>> would disinfect and improve grip, and should be safe for the ropes,
> > (but
> > >>> don't spray in people's faces).
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:01 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I reached out to the change-ringers list about sanitizing
> ropes.
> > >>>> The general agreement is that one can't sensibly do it, but an
> > >>> interesting
> > >>>> fact I was given is that the virus can live less than three days
> > >>>> on
> a
> > >>>> fabric surface, which I guess would include linen or wool. So from
> > >>> service
> > >>>> ringing to the next practice session, maybe the ropes will
> > >> self-sanitize?
> > >>>> Everyone suggested
> > >>>> hand hygiene, someone else mentioned my idea of sticking to one
> > >>>> rope
> > >> per
> > >>>> person. I have decided to severely cut back my T usage , so I
> > >>>> won't
> > be
> > >>> at
> > >>>> practice, but would suggest that someone clean the tower doorknobs
> and
> > >>> the
> > >>>> handrails at Old North after the 11 AM tour . (Dale - are they
> > >>>> still
> > >>>> running tours?) and that everybody do the full hand wash before
> > heading
> > >>> up
> > >>>> to the ringing room. I left a new roll of paper towels on the
> > >>>> shelf
> > >>> above
> > >>>> the toilet last week. Each person should dry with a fresh paper
> towel
> > >>>> instead of everybody sharing the same cloth hand towel (or using
> one's
> > >>>> clothing). I also put a new box of tissues in the ON ringing
> > >>>> room,
> > and
> > >>>> would hope that people would sanitize after tissue use or
> inadvertent
> > >>>> face-touching. And stop sticking fingers in the Cornhusker's
> > >>>> bottle
> (
> > I
> > >>> may
> > >>>> be the only one who does that ).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Laura Dickerson
> > >>>>
> > >>>> PS as a contribution to the popular list of songs to sing while
> > >> washing,
> > >>>> it seems that from rounds to back rounds is about the right
> > >>>> duration
> > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxcyXE0TIBQ
> > >>>> although my favorite currently is Gloria Gaynor singing I will
> survive
> > >>>> while washing
> > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvqP5NRXf8g
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