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Re: [m-hb] MIT Guild cancellation Fwd: Update: COVID-19 & Student Organizations
Yes, gave permission.
Regards,
Joseph Gurkan
Sent from mobile phone
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 2:01 PM Emily Russell <linninniach gmail com> wrote:
> My impression was that Fr. Anderson gave permission for us to carry on
> ringing, but that it was not a "request".
>
> Emily
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:57 PM Joseph Gurkan <jtg5505 gmail com> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks. I don't know if this was circulated but I wanted to pass
>> along
>> that I received an email from the Music Director that "Due to both the
>> Bishop and Governor’s directives, all services and activities at The
>> Church
>> of the Advent are officially suspended through Palm Sunday, April 5,
>> 2020."
>> The situation will be evaluated at that time.
>>
>> To clarify, "activities" does not include bell ringing as Fr. Anderson
>> requested we continue to ring as scheduled unless Austin decides to
>> close
>> the tower.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joseph Gurkan
>> Sent from mobile phone
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 7:07 PM Austin Paul <austinjpaul gmail com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I spoke with Father Anderson today after service. He fully expects an
>> edict
>> > from "On High" tomorrow cancelling all services within the Diocese. He
>> did
>> > say though, that should services be cancelled and the church closed,
>> > we
>> are
>> > still welcome to come and ring should we desire. (He mentioned
>> > thinking
>> it
>> > good for the neighbors to continue to hear the bells.)
>> >
>> > With the current state of information, it is impossible to know how
>> things
>> > will develop, but I'm inclined to let people continue to "vote with
>> their
>> > feet" for Wednesday practice this week. I will demand that everyone
>> > wash
>> > hands before climbing up the tower, and to use hand-sanitizer
>> > generously
>> > and switch bells very sparingly. There is an alcohol spray bottle for
>> the
>> > ropes, but I very much doubt its efficacy.
>> >
>> > The decision about practice may change as new information develops. My
>> own
>> > attendance is still undecided.
>> > Please wash hands frequently and thoroughly.
>> > And do stay healthy.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Austin
>> >
>> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:45 PM Dale Winter <moikney gmail com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > just to confirm the situation as I understand it.
>> > >
>> > > I have had a note from old North confirming that they need us to
>> cancel
>> > all
>> > > ringing there til at least the end of the month; this is in line
>> > > with
>> > what
>> > > Ed already found.
>> > >
>> > > I wrote Jim at the Advent on Friday but have not heard back from
>> > > him.
>> As
>> > > best I can read from the advent website it seems that services are
>> still
>> > on
>> > > there, and so I think those as wish can likely ring tomorrow. If you
>> do
>> > go
>> > > in please be very sensitive to any requests from the church; they
>> surely
>> > > have a lot on their minds at the moment. Please do not feel any
>> > obligation
>> > > to go and make up numbers.
>> > >
>> > > Stay safe all,
>> > >
>> > > Dale
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Michael Tartell <
>> tartell g harvard edu>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi All,
>> > > >
>> > > > Greetings from St. Louis! My plan was to mostly to stay out of
>> > > > the
>> > > > conversation because I didn't have any specific guidance.
>> > > > However,
>> > with
>> > > > all due respect to Kat's friend's extensive rope knowledge, I
>> wanted to
>> > > add
>> > > > the following points:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > - While technically sunlight does eventually kill viruses, this
>> is
>> > not
>> > > > useful for our purposes
>> > > > - There's not much direct sunlight in the ringing room, and
>> > limited
>> > > > reflected light won't have enough UV to be useful
>> > > > - If you don't get a sunburn while ringing, chances are
>> > viruses
>> > > > will be unharmed
>> > > > - Direct sunlight won't help that much if someone touches it
>> > after
>> > > > only a few minutes
>> > > > - Alcohol-based disinfectants will work way better than
>> sunlight
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > - Retrospective studies have shown that transmission of viruses
>> on
>> > > > surfaces did play a role in the first SARS outbreak
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > - Although the CDC guidance does state that "transmission
>> [...]from
>> > > > surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been documented,"
>> > > > it
>> > > > states in
>> > > > the same paragraph "Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces followed
>> by
>> > > > disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of
>> > COVID-19..."
>> > > > - I suspect the standard for "documented" cases of
>> transmission
>> > on
>> > > > virus from surfaces is impractically high, and we won't know
>> > > > this for sure
>> > > > until well after the outbreak
>> > > > - It's hard to differentiate surface transmission from
>> aerosol or
>> > > > contact transmission
>> > > > -
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/cleaning-disinfection.html
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > From a practical standpoint, if someone is sick with no symptoms
>> > > > at
>> > > > practice, you could potentially become infected through multiple
>> > routes,
>> > > > one of which would be touching ropes. Others would be aerosols
>> > > > (the
>> > > virus
>> > > > is stable for at least 3 hours as an aerosol). If cleaning ropes
>> > > > is
>> > > > impractical, not touching your face, covering your cough, and
>> frequent
>> > > use
>> > > > of handwashing and sanitizer would probably be sufficient.
>> > > > There's
>> > good
>> > > > evidence that both handwashing and alcohol-based sanitizers are
>> > > effective.
>> > > >
>> > > > My initial thought was that if we were concerned about ropes, we
>> could
>> > > > spray them with rubbing alcohol (70% ethanol or isopropanol) from
>> > > > a
>> > spray
>> > > > bottle, then give them a wipe with a paper towel. That would
>> > > > allow
>> the
>> > > > ethanol to penetrate into the wool to a similar extent as our
>> > > > hands,
>> > and
>> > > > since it evaporates quickly, I would hope it wouldn't damage the
>> ropes
>> > a
>> > > > lot and/or make them soapy while ringing. However, I have no idea
>> what
>> > > the
>> > > > medium/long-term effect of alcohols would be on rope or wool.
>> > > >
>> > > > I suspect Old North cancelling everything has been this whole
>> > > > thing
>> > > > redundant, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway. Best of luck
>> > > > to
>> > all
>> > > of
>> > > > you!
>> > > >
>> > > > -Michael Tartell
>> > > >
>> > > > <
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
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>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:30 PM Richard Morse via
>> > Boston-change-ringers <
>> > > > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi! Many thanks for asking about ropes — I think that sanitizer,
>> and
>> > > > > washing hands, once Old North is back open, will have to
>> > > > > suffice.
>> > (The
>> > > > > advice about a bend is probably not useful, as it would also
>> > > > > imply
>> > > > removing
>> > > > > the tails currently there, which I am loathe to do…)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I also, sadly, agree that days when we can’t eat on the Greenway
>> are
>> > > > > probably not best served by eating in the Market instead.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Ricky
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Katarina Whimsy <
>> > kdsorceress gmail com
>> > > >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I talked to a friend of mine who knows a lot about ropes
>> --here's
>> > his
>> > > > > > input:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > *"Linen is less structurally sturdy when wet, and can be
>> > > > > > damaged
>> > when
>> > > > > > drying if overstretched or not stretched enough." (I think
>> > > > > > this
>> was
>> > > him
>> > > > > > assuming we were able to fully wash the rope, I clarified
>> > > > > > about
>> > bell
>> > > > > towers)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > *"The best way to kill any viral or bacterial infection is to
>> leave
>> > > it
>> > > > to
>> > > > > > sit in the sun for a few days. That knowledge isn't Covid-19
>> > > specific"
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > *"How heavy is the bell? If it's under 900lbs, then you attach
>> > fresh
>> > > > rope
>> > > > > > with a bend and avoid the whole issue between weeks" (A bend
>> > > > > > is
>> a
>> > > knot
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > > joins two ropes)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > *If it's just the covid-19 you're worried about, then it's
>> really
>> > > > > overkill.
>> > > > > > Just make sure every person washes their hands with soap for
>> > > > > > 20
>> > > second.
>> > > > > > Make it part of the ritual of bellringing"
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > *He dug up the CDC website which suggests covid-19 spread is
>> *not*
>> > > > mainly
>> > > > > > through contaminated surfaces/objects.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > So I'm feeling reasonably confident about the "wash hands
>> > thoroughly
>> > > > upon
>> > > > > > tower arrival, don't touch face in tower, maybe spray rope
>> surfaces
>> > > > with
>> > > > > a
>> > > > > > little disinfectant in between" plan.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ***
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Something that hasn't come up and I think should be mentioned
>> --I
>> > > don't
>> > > > > > think it's a good idea for us all to do lunch afterwards in
>> > > > > > the
>> > > public
>> > > > > > market. It's not very good for distances (so crowded,
>> > > > > > especially
>> > when
>> > > > we
>> > > > > > have many of us around a single table) and I don't think
>> spending
>> > > time
>> > > > in
>> > > > > > an enclosed environment that sees a LOT of tourists and
>> travellers
>> > > from
>> > > > > all
>> > > > > > over.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > My plan/hope tomorrow is to come in either
>> T-with-cleaning-wipes or
>> > > > bike,
>> > > > > > and to pack my own lunch. I'd love to hear other people's
>> thoughts
>> > on
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > same.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ~Kat
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:31 PM Danielle Morse <
>> > > dmorsebell gmail com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> Michael was talking about something like this, though he
>> > > > > >> still
>> > > thought
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > >> alcohol wouldn't get enough into the ropes/sallies to
>> > > > > >> properly
>> > > > > disinfect.
>> > > > > >> At least that's what I understood.
>> > > > > >> I have some rubbing alcohol at home, I'll try to bring it in
>> > > > > >> on
>> > > > Sunday.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Gregory Russell <
>> > > gfr10598 gmail com>
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>> How about alcohol in a spray bottle, to spray on the ropes
>> > > > > >>> and
>> > > > sallies.
>> > > > > >> It
>> > > > > >>> would disinfect and improve grip, and should be safe for the
>> > ropes,
>> > > > > (but
>> > > > > >>> don't spray in people's faces).
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:01 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>>>
>> > > > > >>>> I reached out to the change-ringers list about
>> sanitizing
>> > > > ropes.
>> > > > > >>>> The general agreement is that one can't sensibly do it, but
>> an
>> > > > > >>> interesting
>> > > > > >>>> fact I was given is that the virus can live less than three
>> days
>> > > on
>> > > > a
>> > > > > >>>> fabric surface, which I guess would include linen or wool.
>> > > > > >>>> So
>> > from
>> > > > > >>> service
>> > > > > >>>> ringing to the next practice session, maybe the ropes will
>> > > > > >> self-sanitize?
>> > > > > >>>> Everyone suggested
>> > > > > >>>> hand hygiene, someone else mentioned my idea of sticking to
>> one
>> > > rope
>> > > > > >> per
>> > > > > >>>> person. I have decided to severely cut back my T usage ,
>> > > > > >>>> so
>> I
>> > > won't
>> > > > > be
>> > > > > >>> at
>> > > > > >>>> practice, but would suggest that someone clean the tower
>> > doorknobs
>> > > > and
>> > > > > >>> the
>> > > > > >>>> handrails at Old North after the 11 AM tour . (Dale - are
>> they
>> > > still
>> > > > > >>>> running tours?) and that everybody do the full hand wash
>> before
>> > > > > heading
>> > > > > >>> up
>> > > > > >>>> to the ringing room. I left a new roll of paper towels on
>> the
>> > > shelf
>> > > > > >>> above
>> > > > > >>>> the toilet last week. Each person should dry with a fresh
>> paper
>> > > > towel
>> > > > > >>>> instead of everybody sharing the same cloth hand towel (or
>> using
>> > > > one's
>> > > > > >>>> clothing). I also put a new box of tissues in the ON
>> > > > > >>>> ringing
>> > > room,
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > >>>> would hope that people would sanitize after tissue use or
>> > > > inadvertent
>> > > > > >>>> face-touching. And stop sticking fingers in the
>> > > > > >>>> Cornhusker's
>> > > bottle
>> > > > (
>> > > > > I
>> > > > > >>> may
>> > > > > >>>> be the only one who does that ).
>> > > > > >>>>
>> > > > > >>>> Laura Dickerson
>> > > > > >>>>
>> > > > > >>>> PS as a contribution to the popular list of songs to sing
>> while
>> > > > > >> washing,
>> > > > > >>>> it seems that from rounds to back rounds is about the right
>> > > duration
>> > > > > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxcyXE0TIBQ
>> > > > > >>>> although my favorite currently is Gloria Gaynor singing I
>> will
>> > > > survive
>> > > > > >>>> while washing
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