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Re: [m-hb] MIT Guild cancellation Fwd: Update: COVID-19 & Student Organizations
From the CCCBR: "If you haven’t already decided to cancel ringing
activities, it seems that now is the time to do so."
https://cccbr.org.uk/2020/03/16/coronavirus-covid-19-update/
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:03 PM Joseph Gurkan <jtg5505 gmail com> wrote:
> Yes, gave permission.
>
> Regards,
> Joseph Gurkan
> Sent from mobile phone
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 2:01 PM Emily Russell <linninniach gmail com>
> wrote:
>
> > My impression was that Fr. Anderson gave permission for us to carry on
> > ringing, but that it was not a "request".
> >
> > Emily
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:57 PM Joseph Gurkan <jtg5505 gmail com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey folks. I don't know if this was circulated but I wanted to pass
> along
> >> that I received an email from the Music Director that "Due to both the
> >> Bishop and Governor’s directives, all services and activities at The
> >> Church
> >> of the Advent are officially suspended through Palm Sunday, April 5,
> >> 2020."
> >> The situation will be evaluated at that time.
> >>
> >> To clarify, "activities" does not include bell ringing as Fr. Anderson
> >> requested we continue to ring as scheduled unless Austin decides to
> close
> >> the tower.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Joseph Gurkan
> >> Sent from mobile phone
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 7:07 PM Austin Paul <austinjpaul gmail com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I spoke with Father Anderson today after service. He fully expects
> >> > an
> >> edict
> >> > from "On High" tomorrow cancelling all services within the Diocese.
> >> > He
> >> did
> >> > say though, that should services be cancelled and the church closed,
> we
> >> are
> >> > still welcome to come and ring should we desire. (He mentioned
> thinking
> >> it
> >> > good for the neighbors to continue to hear the bells.)
> >> >
> >> > With the current state of information, it is impossible to know how
> >> things
> >> > will develop, but I'm inclined to let people continue to "vote with
> >> their
> >> > feet" for Wednesday practice this week. I will demand that everyone
> wash
> >> > hands before climbing up the tower, and to use hand-sanitizer
> generously
> >> > and switch bells very sparingly. There is an alcohol spray bottle
> >> > for
> >> the
> >> > ropes, but I very much doubt its efficacy.
> >> >
> >> > The decision about practice may change as new information develops.
> >> > My
> >> own
> >> > attendance is still undecided.
> >> > Please wash hands frequently and thoroughly.
> >> > And do stay healthy.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Austin
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:45 PM Dale Winter <moikney gmail com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi all,
> >> > >
> >> > > just to confirm the situation as I understand it.
> >> > >
> >> > > I have had a note from old North confirming that they need us to
> >> cancel
> >> > all
> >> > > ringing there til at least the end of the month; this is in line
> with
> >> > what
> >> > > Ed already found.
> >> > >
> >> > > I wrote Jim at the Advent on Friday but have not heard back from
> him.
> >> As
> >> > > best I can read from the advent website it seems that services are
> >> still
> >> > on
> >> > > there, and so I think those as wish can likely ring tomorrow. If
> >> > > you
> >> do
> >> > go
> >> > > in please be very sensitive to any requests from the church; they
> >> surely
> >> > > have a lot on their minds at the moment. Please do not feel any
> >> > obligation
> >> > > to go and make up numbers.
> >> > >
> >> > > Stay safe all,
> >> > >
> >> > > Dale
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Michael Tartell <
> >> tartell g harvard edu>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi All,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Greetings from St. Louis! My plan was to mostly to stay out of
> the
> >> > > > conversation because I didn't have any specific guidance.
> However,
> >> > with
> >> > > > all due respect to Kat's friend's extensive rope knowledge, I
> >> wanted to
> >> > > add
> >> > > > the following points:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - While technically sunlight does eventually kill viruses,
> >> > > > this
> >> is
> >> > not
> >> > > > useful for our purposes
> >> > > > - There's not much direct sunlight in the ringing room,
> >> > > > and
> >> > limited
> >> > > > reflected light won't have enough UV to be useful
> >> > > > - If you don't get a sunburn while ringing, chances are
> >> > viruses
> >> > > > will be unharmed
> >> > > > - Direct sunlight won't help that much if someone touches
> >> > > > it
> >> > after
> >> > > > only a few minutes
> >> > > > - Alcohol-based disinfectants will work way better than
> >> sunlight
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - Retrospective studies have shown that transmission of
> >> > > > viruses
> >> on
> >> > > > surfaces did play a role in the first SARS outbreak
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - Although the CDC guidance does state that "transmission
> >> [...]from
> >> > > > surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been
> >> > > > documented,"
> it
> >> > > > states in
> >> > > > the same paragraph "Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces
> >> > > > followed
> >> by
> >> > > > disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of
> >> > COVID-19..."
> >> > > > - I suspect the standard for "documented" cases of
> >> transmission
> >> > on
> >> > > > virus from surfaces is impractically high, and we won't
> >> > > > know
> >> > > > this for sure
> >> > > > until well after the outbreak
> >> > > > - It's hard to differentiate surface transmission from
> >> aerosol or
> >> > > > contact transmission
> >> > > > -
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/cleaning-disinfection.html
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > From a practical standpoint, if someone is sick with no symptoms
> at
> >> > > > practice, you could potentially become infected through multiple
> >> > routes,
> >> > > > one of which would be touching ropes. Others would be aerosols
> (the
> >> > > virus
> >> > > > is stable for at least 3 hours as an aerosol). If cleaning
> >> > > > ropes
> is
> >> > > > impractical, not touching your face, covering your cough, and
> >> frequent
> >> > > use
> >> > > > of handwashing and sanitizer would probably be sufficient.
> There's
> >> > good
> >> > > > evidence that both handwashing and alcohol-based sanitizers are
> >> > > effective.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My initial thought was that if we were concerned about ropes, we
> >> could
> >> > > > spray them with rubbing alcohol (70% ethanol or isopropanol)
> >> > > > from
> a
> >> > spray
> >> > > > bottle, then give them a wipe with a paper towel. That would
> allow
> >> the
> >> > > > ethanol to penetrate into the wool to a similar extent as our
> hands,
> >> > and
> >> > > > since it evaporates quickly, I would hope it wouldn't damage the
> >> ropes
> >> > a
> >> > > > lot and/or make them soapy while ringing. However, I have no
> >> > > > idea
> >> what
> >> > > the
> >> > > > medium/long-term effect of alcohols would be on rope or wool.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I suspect Old North cancelling everything has been this whole
> thing
> >> > > > redundant, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway. Best of
> >> > > > luck
> to
> >> > all
> >> > > of
> >> > > > you!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Michael Tartell
> >> > > >
> >> > > > <
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
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> >>
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> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:30 PM Richard Morse via
> >> > Boston-change-ringers <
> >> > > > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi! Many thanks for asking about ropes — I think that
> >> > > > > sanitizer,
> >> and
> >> > > > > washing hands, once Old North is back open, will have to
> suffice.
> >> > (The
> >> > > > > advice about a bend is probably not useful, as it would also
> imply
> >> > > > removing
> >> > > > > the tails currently there, which I am loathe to do…)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I also, sadly, agree that days when we can’t eat on the
> >> > > > > Greenway
> >> are
> >> > > > > probably not best served by eating in the Market instead.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > Ricky
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Katarina Whimsy <
> >> > kdsorceress gmail com
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I talked to a friend of mine who knows a lot about ropes
> >> --here's
> >> > his
> >> > > > > > input:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > *"Linen is less structurally sturdy when wet, and can be
> damaged
> >> > when
> >> > > > > > drying if overstretched or not stretched enough." (I think
> this
> >> was
> >> > > him
> >> > > > > > assuming we were able to fully wash the rope, I clarified
> about
> >> > bell
> >> > > > > towers)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > *"The best way to kill any viral or bacterial infection is
> >> > > > > > to
> >> leave
> >> > > it
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > > sit in the sun for a few days. That knowledge isn't Covid-19
> >> > > specific"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > *"How heavy is the bell? If it's under 900lbs, then you
> >> > > > > > attach
> >> > fresh
> >> > > > rope
> >> > > > > > with a bend and avoid the whole issue between weeks" (A bend
> is
> >> a
> >> > > knot
> >> > > > > that
> >> > > > > > joins two ropes)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > *If it's just the covid-19 you're worried about, then it's
> >> really
> >> > > > > overkill.
> >> > > > > > Just make sure every person washes their hands with soap for
> 20
> >> > > second.
> >> > > > > > Make it part of the ritual of bellringing"
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > *He dug up the CDC website which suggests covid-19 spread is
> >> *not*
> >> > > > mainly
> >> > > > > > through contaminated surfaces/objects.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > So I'm feeling reasonably confident about the "wash hands
> >> > thoroughly
> >> > > > upon
> >> > > > > > tower arrival, don't touch face in tower, maybe spray rope
> >> surfaces
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > > a
> >> > > > > > little disinfectant in between" plan.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ***
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Something that hasn't come up and I think should be
> >> > > > > > mentioned
> >> --I
> >> > > don't
> >> > > > > > think it's a good idea for us all to do lunch afterwards in
> the
> >> > > public
> >> > > > > > market. It's not very good for distances (so crowded,
> especially
> >> > when
> >> > > > we
> >> > > > > > have many of us around a single table) and I don't think
> >> spending
> >> > > time
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > > > an enclosed environment that sees a LOT of tourists and
> >> travellers
> >> > > from
> >> > > > > all
> >> > > > > > over.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > My plan/hope tomorrow is to come in either
> >> T-with-cleaning-wipes or
> >> > > > bike,
> >> > > > > > and to pack my own lunch. I'd love to hear other people's
> >> thoughts
> >> > on
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > same.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ~Kat
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:31 PM Danielle Morse <
> >> > > dmorsebell gmail com>
> >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >> Michael was talking about something like this, though he
> still
> >> > > thought
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > >> alcohol wouldn't get enough into the ropes/sallies to
> properly
> >> > > > > disinfect.
> >> > > > > >> At least that's what I understood.
> >> > > > > >> I have some rubbing alcohol at home, I'll try to bring it
> >> > > > > >> in
> on
> >> > > > Sunday.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Gregory Russell <
> >> > > gfr10598 gmail com>
> >> > > > > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >>> How about alcohol in a spray bottle, to spray on the ropes
> and
> >> > > > sallies.
> >> > > > > >> It
> >> > > > > >>> would disinfect and improve grip, and should be safe for
> >> > > > > >>> the
> >> > ropes,
> >> > > > > (but
> >> > > > > >>> don't spray in people's faces).
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:01 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>> I reached out to the change-ringers list about
> >> sanitizing
> >> > > > ropes.
> >> > > > > >>>> The general agreement is that one can't sensibly do it,
> >> > > > > >>>> but
> >> an
> >> > > > > >>> interesting
> >> > > > > >>>> fact I was given is that the virus can live less than
> >> > > > > >>>> three
> >> days
> >> > > on
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > >>>> fabric surface, which I guess would include linen or
> >> > > > > >>>> wool.
> So
> >> > from
> >> > > > > >>> service
> >> > > > > >>>> ringing to the next practice session, maybe the ropes
> >> > > > > >>>> will
> >> > > > > >> self-sanitize?
> >> > > > > >>>> Everyone suggested
> >> > > > > >>>> hand hygiene, someone else mentioned my idea of sticking
> >> > > > > >>>> to
> >> one
> >> > > rope
> >> > > > > >> per
> >> > > > > >>>> person. I have decided to severely cut back my T usage ,
> so
> >> I
> >> > > won't
> >> > > > > be
> >> > > > > >>> at
> >> > > > > >>>> practice, but would suggest that someone clean the tower
> >> > doorknobs
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > > >>> the
> >> > > > > >>>> handrails at Old North after the 11 AM tour . (Dale - are
> >> they
> >> > > still
> >> > > > > >>>> running tours?) and that everybody do the full hand wash
> >> before
> >> > > > > heading
> >> > > > > >>> up
> >> > > > > >>>> to the ringing room. I left a new roll of paper towels
> >> > > > > >>>> on
> >> the
> >> > > shelf
> >> > > > > >>> above
> >> > > > > >>>> the toilet last week. Each person should dry with a
> >> > > > > >>>> fresh
> >> paper
> >> > > > towel
> >> > > > > >>>> instead of everybody sharing the same cloth hand towel
> >> > > > > >>>> (or
> >> using
> >> > > > one's
> >> > > > > >>>> clothing). I also put a new box of tissues in the ON
> ringing
> >> > > room,
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > > >>>> would hope that people would sanitize after tissue use or
> >> > > > inadvertent
> >> > > > > >>>> face-touching. And stop sticking fingers in the
> Cornhusker's
> >> > > bottle
> >> > > > (
> >> > > > > I
> >> > > > > >>> may
> >> > > > > >>>> be the only one who does that ).
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>> Laura Dickerson
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>> PS as a contribution to the popular list of songs to sing
> >> while
> >> > > > > >> washing,
> >> > > > > >>>> it seems that from rounds to back rounds is about the
> >> > > > > >>>> right
> >> > > duration
> >> > > > > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxcyXE0TIBQ
> >> > > > > >>>> although my favorite currently is Gloria Gaynor singing I
> >> will
> >> > > > survive
> >> > > > > >>>> while washing
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