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My sense was that it was...less than a request, but more than permission
(encouragement?). He said something about keeping people reminded that we
(I think he mostly meant the church, but poss. also the bellringers) exist.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bryn Reinstadler <bryn marie r gmail com>
wrote:
> From the CCCBR: "If you haven’t already decided to cancel ringing
> activities, it seems that now is the time to do so."
>
> https://cccbr.org.uk/2020/03/16/coronavirus-covid-19-update/
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:03 PM Joseph Gurkan <jtg5505 gmail com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, gave permission.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Joseph Gurkan
> > Sent from mobile phone
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 2:01 PM Emily Russell <linninniach gmail com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > My impression was that Fr. Anderson gave permission for us to carry
> > > on
> > > ringing, but that it was not a "request".
> > >
> > > Emily
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:57 PM Joseph Gurkan <jtg5505 gmail com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey folks. I don't know if this was circulated but I wanted to pass
> > along
> > >> that I received an email from the Music Director that "Due to both
> > >> the
> > >> Bishop and Governor’s directives, all services and activities at The
> > >> Church
> > >> of the Advent are officially suspended through Palm Sunday, April 5,
> > >> 2020."
> > >> The situation will be evaluated at that time.
> > >>
> > >> To clarify, "activities" does not include bell ringing as Fr.
> > >> Anderson
> > >> requested we continue to ring as scheduled unless Austin decides to
> > close
> > >> the tower.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Joseph Gurkan
> > >> Sent from mobile phone
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 7:07 PM Austin Paul <austinjpaul gmail com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all,
> > >> >
> > >> > I spoke with Father Anderson today after service. He fully expects
> an
> > >> edict
> > >> > from "On High" tomorrow cancelling all services within the
> > >> > Diocese.
> He
> > >> did
> > >> > say though, that should services be cancelled and the church
> > >> > closed,
> > we
> > >> are
> > >> > still welcome to come and ring should we desire. (He mentioned
> > thinking
> > >> it
> > >> > good for the neighbors to continue to hear the bells.)
> > >> >
> > >> > With the current state of information, it is impossible to know
> > >> > how
> > >> things
> > >> > will develop, but I'm inclined to let people continue to "vote
> > >> > with
> > >> their
> > >> > feet" for Wednesday practice this week. I will demand that
> > >> > everyone
> > wash
> > >> > hands before climbing up the tower, and to use hand-sanitizer
> > generously
> > >> > and switch bells very sparingly. There is an alcohol spray bottle
> for
> > >> the
> > >> > ropes, but I very much doubt its efficacy.
> > >> >
> > >> > The decision about practice may change as new information
> > >> > develops.
> My
> > >> own
> > >> > attendance is still undecided.
> > >> > Please wash hands frequently and thoroughly.
> > >> > And do stay healthy.
> > >> >
> > >> > Best,
> > >> > Austin
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:45 PM Dale Winter <moikney gmail com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi all,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > just to confirm the situation as I understand it.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I have had a note from old North confirming that they need us to
> > >> cancel
> > >> > all
> > >> > > ringing there til at least the end of the month; this is in line
> > with
> > >> > what
> > >> > > Ed already found.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I wrote Jim at the Advent on Friday but have not heard back from
> > him.
> > >> As
> > >> > > best I can read from the advent website it seems that services
> > >> > > are
> > >> still
> > >> > on
> > >> > > there, and so I think those as wish can likely ring tomorrow. If
> you
> > >> do
> > >> > go
> > >> > > in please be very sensitive to any requests from the church;
> > >> > > they
> > >> surely
> > >> > > have a lot on their minds at the moment. Please do not feel any
> > >> > obligation
> > >> > > to go and make up numbers.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Stay safe all,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Dale
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Michael Tartell <
> > >> tartell g harvard edu>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Hi All,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Greetings from St. Louis! My plan was to mostly to stay out
> > >> > > > of
> > the
> > >> > > > conversation because I didn't have any specific guidance.
> > However,
> > >> > with
> > >> > > > all due respect to Kat's friend's extensive rope knowledge, I
> > >> wanted to
> > >> > > add
> > >> > > > the following points:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > - While technically sunlight does eventually kill viruses,
> this
> > >> is
> > >> > not
> > >> > > > useful for our purposes
> > >> > > > - There's not much direct sunlight in the ringing room,
> and
> > >> > limited
> > >> > > > reflected light won't have enough UV to be useful
> > >> > > > - If you don't get a sunburn while ringing, chances
> > >> > > > are
> > >> > viruses
> > >> > > > will be unharmed
> > >> > > > - Direct sunlight won't help that much if someone
> > >> > > > touches
> it
> > >> > after
> > >> > > > only a few minutes
> > >> > > > - Alcohol-based disinfectants will work way better than
> > >> sunlight
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > - Retrospective studies have shown that transmission of
> viruses
> > >> on
> > >> > > > surfaces did play a role in the first SARS outbreak
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > - Although the CDC guidance does state that "transmission
> > >> [...]from
> > >> > > > surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been
> documented,"
> > it
> > >> > > > states in
> > >> > > > the same paragraph "Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces
> followed
> > >> by
> > >> > > > disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of
> > >> > COVID-19..."
> > >> > > > - I suspect the standard for "documented" cases of
> > >> transmission
> > >> > on
> > >> > > > virus from surfaces is impractically high, and we won't
> know
> > >> > > > this for sure
> > >> > > > until well after the outbreak
> > >> > > > - It's hard to differentiate surface transmission from
> > >> aerosol or
> > >> > > > contact transmission
> > >> > > > -
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/cleaning-disinfection.html
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > From a practical standpoint, if someone is sick with no
> > >> > > > symptoms
> > at
> > >> > > > practice, you could potentially become infected through
> > >> > > > multiple
> > >> > routes,
> > >> > > > one of which would be touching ropes. Others would be
> > >> > > > aerosols
> > (the
> > >> > > virus
> > >> > > > is stable for at least 3 hours as an aerosol). If cleaning
> ropes
> > is
> > >> > > > impractical, not touching your face, covering your cough, and
> > >> frequent
> > >> > > use
> > >> > > > of handwashing and sanitizer would probably be sufficient.
> > There's
> > >> > good
> > >> > > > evidence that both handwashing and alcohol-based sanitizers
> > >> > > > are
> > >> > > effective.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > My initial thought was that if we were concerned about ropes,
> > >> > > > we
> > >> could
> > >> > > > spray them with rubbing alcohol (70% ethanol or isopropanol)
> from
> > a
> > >> > spray
> > >> > > > bottle, then give them a wipe with a paper towel. That would
> > allow
> > >> the
> > >> > > > ethanol to penetrate into the wool to a similar extent as our
> > hands,
> > >> > and
> > >> > > > since it evaporates quickly, I would hope it wouldn't damage
> > >> > > > the
> > >> ropes
> > >> > a
> > >> > > > lot and/or make them soapy while ringing. However, I have no
> idea
> > >> what
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > > medium/long-term effect of alcohols would be on rope or wool.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I suspect Old North cancelling everything has been this whole
> > thing
> > >> > > > redundant, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway. Best of
> luck
> > to
> > >> > all
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > > you!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -Michael Tartell
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > <
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >
> > >>
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> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:30 PM Richard Morse via
> > >> > Boston-change-ringers <
> > >> > > > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Hi! Many thanks for asking about ropes — I think that
> sanitizer,
> > >> and
> > >> > > > > washing hands, once Old North is back open, will have to
> > suffice.
> > >> > (The
> > >> > > > > advice about a bend is probably not useful, as it would also
> > imply
> > >> > > > removing
> > >> > > > > the tails currently there, which I am loathe to do…)
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I also, sadly, agree that days when we can’t eat on the
> Greenway
> > >> are
> > >> > > > > probably not best served by eating in the Market instead.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > Ricky
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Katarina Whimsy <
> > >> > kdsorceress gmail com
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I talked to a friend of mine who knows a lot about ropes
> > >> --here's
> > >> > his
> > >> > > > > > input:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > *"Linen is less structurally sturdy when wet, and can be
> > damaged
> > >> > when
> > >> > > > > > drying if overstretched or not stretched enough." (I think
> > this
> > >> was
> > >> > > him
> > >> > > > > > assuming we were able to fully wash the rope, I clarified
> > about
> > >> > bell
> > >> > > > > towers)
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > *"The best way to kill any viral or bacterial infection is
> to
> > >> leave
> > >> > > it
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > > > sit in the sun for a few days. That knowledge isn't
> > >> > > > > > Covid-19
> > >> > > specific"
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > *"How heavy is the bell? If it's under 900lbs, then you
> attach
> > >> > fresh
> > >> > > > rope
> > >> > > > > > with a bend and avoid the whole issue between weeks" (A
> > >> > > > > > bend
> > is
> > >> a
> > >> > > knot
> > >> > > > > that
> > >> > > > > > joins two ropes)
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > *If it's just the covid-19 you're worried about, then it's
> > >> really
> > >> > > > > overkill.
> > >> > > > > > Just make sure every person washes their hands with soap
> > >> > > > > > for
> > 20
> > >> > > second.
> > >> > > > > > Make it part of the ritual of bellringing"
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > *He dug up the CDC website which suggests covid-19 spread
> > >> > > > > > is
> > >> *not*
> > >> > > > mainly
> > >> > > > > > through contaminated surfaces/objects.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > So I'm feeling reasonably confident about the "wash hands
> > >> > thoroughly
> > >> > > > upon
> > >> > > > > > tower arrival, don't touch face in tower, maybe spray rope
> > >> surfaces
> > >> > > > with
> > >> > > > > a
> > >> > > > > > little disinfectant in between" plan.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > ***
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Something that hasn't come up and I think should be
> mentioned
> > >> --I
> > >> > > don't
> > >> > > > > > think it's a good idea for us all to do lunch afterwards
> > >> > > > > > in
> > the
> > >> > > public
> > >> > > > > > market. It's not very good for distances (so crowded,
> > especially
> > >> > when
> > >> > > > we
> > >> > > > > > have many of us around a single table) and I don't think
> > >> spending
> > >> > > time
> > >> > > > in
> > >> > > > > > an enclosed environment that sees a LOT of tourists and
> > >> travellers
> > >> > > from
> > >> > > > > all
> > >> > > > > > over.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > My plan/hope tomorrow is to come in either
> > >> T-with-cleaning-wipes or
> > >> > > > bike,
> > >> > > > > > and to pack my own lunch. I'd love to hear other people's
> > >> thoughts
> > >> > on
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > > same.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > ~Kat
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:31 PM Danielle Morse <
> > >> > > dmorsebell gmail com>
> > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> Michael was talking about something like this, though he
> > still
> > >> > > thought
> > >> > > > > the
> > >> > > > > >> alcohol wouldn't get enough into the ropes/sallies to
> > properly
> > >> > > > > disinfect.
> > >> > > > > >> At least that's what I understood.
> > >> > > > > >> I have some rubbing alcohol at home, I'll try to bring it
> in
> > on
> > >> > > > Sunday.
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Gregory Russell <
> > >> > > gfr10598 gmail com>
> > >> > > > > >> wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >>> How about alcohol in a spray bottle, to spray on the
> > >> > > > > >>> ropes
> > and
> > >> > > > sallies.
> > >> > > > > >> It
> > >> > > > > >>> would disinfect and improve grip, and should be safe for
> the
> > >> > ropes,
> > >> > > > > (but
> > >> > > > > >>> don't spray in people's faces).
> > >> > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:01 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > >>>>
> > >> > > > > >>>> I reached out to the change-ringers list about
> > >> sanitizing
> > >> > > > ropes.
> > >> > > > > >>>> The general agreement is that one can't sensibly do it,
> but
> > >> an
> > >> > > > > >>> interesting
> > >> > > > > >>>> fact I was given is that the virus can live less than
> three
> > >> days
> > >> > > on
> > >> > > > a
> > >> > > > > >>>> fabric surface, which I guess would include linen or
> wool.
> > So
> > >> > from
> > >> > > > > >>> service
> > >> > > > > >>>> ringing to the next practice session, maybe the ropes
> will
> > >> > > > > >> self-sanitize?
> > >> > > > > >>>> Everyone suggested
> > >> > > > > >>>> hand hygiene, someone else mentioned my idea of
> > >> > > > > >>>> sticking
> to
> > >> one
> > >> > > rope
> > >> > > > > >> per
> > >> > > > > >>>> person. I have decided to severely cut back my T
> > >> > > > > >>>> usage ,
> > so
> > >> I
> > >> > > won't
> > >> > > > > be
> > >> > > > > >>> at
> > >> > > > > >>>> practice, but would suggest that someone clean the
> > >> > > > > >>>> tower
> > >> > doorknobs
> > >> > > > and
> > >> > > > > >>> the
> > >> > > > > >>>> handrails at Old North after the 11 AM tour . (Dale -
> > >> > > > > >>>> are
> > >> they
> > >> > > still
> > >> > > > > >>>> running tours?) and that everybody do the full hand
> > >> > > > > >>>> wash
> > >> before
> > >> > > > > heading
> > >> > > > > >>> up
> > >> > > > > >>>> to the ringing room. I left a new roll of paper towels
> on
> > >> the
> > >> > > shelf
> > >> > > > > >>> above
> > >> > > > > >>>> the toilet last week. Each person should dry with a
> fresh
> > >> paper
> > >> > > > towel
> > >> > > > > >>>> instead of everybody sharing the same cloth hand towel
> (or
> > >> using
> > >> > > > one's
> > >> > > > > >>>> clothing). I also put a new box of tissues in the ON
> > ringing
> > >> > > room,
> > >> > > > > and
> > >> > > > > >>>> would hope that people would sanitize after tissue use
> > >> > > > > >>>> or
> > >> > > > inadvertent
> > >> > > > > >>>> face-touching. And stop sticking fingers in the
> > Cornhusker's
> > >> > > bottle
> > >> > > > (
> > >> > > > > I
> > >> > > > > >>> may
> > >> > > > > >>>> be the only one who does that ).
> > >> > > > > >>>>
> > >> > > > > >>>> Laura Dickerson
> > >> > > > > >>>>
> > >> > > > > >>>> PS as a contribution to the popular list of songs to
> > >> > > > > >>>> sing
> > >> while
> > >> > > > > >> washing,
> > >> > > > > >>>> it seems that from rounds to back rounds is about the
> right
> > >> > > duration
> > >> > > > > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxcyXE0TIBQ
> > >> > > > > >>>> although my favorite currently is Gloria Gaynor
> > >> > > > > >>>> singing I
> > >> will
> > >> > > > survive
> > >> > > > > >>>> while washing
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