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Amen! john Briese Minnesota > From: metman glasgow-ky com > To: noaddress drmm net; elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:01:35 -0600 > Subject: Re: (ET) More Power Inverters > > Chill out guys, you're gettin' way too bent outta shape here. > > And I'm sorry David, and maybe others also, but what I'm doing sure isn't > illegal where I live and I don't consider it dangerous either. If it's > illegal where you live, then I'm guessing you live in an area where local or > state governments have way too much control over your individual rights. > Maybe you live in one of those liberal states where the government feels > they have to have a law for everything. Having such laws doesn't keep > stupid people from doing dumb things. And there are people out there that > probably shouldn't even be allowed to own tools, let alone do more than flip > on a light switch when it comes to anything electrical. People need to be > responsible for their own actions. If they do something stupid and get > electrocuted, then so be it. > > Some of you guys must know a lot of people that have a lot more money than > common sense. Even manual transfer switches aren't what I consider cheap, > let alone the costs to install one. > > When I pull my main fuse block, it goes outside in back of the shop and > stays there with the generator. And I've never been "too tired, distracted, > or intoxicated to forget a step". And I sure as hell wouldn't ask my wife > to make a switch like this on her own. Now for you guys with the automatic > transfer switch gear and all; well more power to you, but there's that $ > again. > > As for the "cord with two male ends hanging around the house", I fully agree > that that is very foolish. My "cord" is a short piece of 10-3 SO with a > Russellstoll Ever-Lok plug that can only fit into the matching receptacle > mounted in the outside back wall of the shop. Besides, this cord is plugged > into it's receptacle before the generator is started. Then the L14 plug on > the other end of the cord is connected to the now running generator. > > When you only do this maybe once a year, my method works fine and costs > virtually nothing. If a guy can't remember the few simple steps to do this, > then he's probably one of those guys I spoke of earlier that shouldn't be > allowed to own tools, let alone an Elec-Trak or a generator. > > As for the "little kids" around the house, my sons are 36 and 39, both are > in engineering fields, and neither is living at home. This ain't my first > rodeo guys. I may live in Kentucky, but I wasn't born and raised here. But > I am proud to have lived down here for the last 34 years or so, south of > that old Ohio River. > > Mike in KY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Roden" <etpost drmm net> > To: <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: (ET) More Power Inverters > > > > On 12 Dec 2007 at 8:54, Mike Wallace wrote: > > > >> I just pull the main fuse block in my panel > >> box, unplug the air compressor and then plug the output of the generator > >> into > >> that same outdoor receptacle and feed my power back into the house's > >> panel > >> box. No fancy and expensive automatic switching/disconnect system, but > >> no > >> danger to power company crews working on the lines either. > > > > Sorry, I have to mention that this procedure is illegal and dangerous. I > > don't think it's a good idea to promote it in a public place, such as a > > listserve that's archived on the open web. > > > > You may never electrocute a lineman or blow up your generator, but the > > potential is there. A little too tired, distracted, or intoxicated, and > > you > > can slip up or forget a step. Trying to talk the spousal unit through the > > process on the cell phone, again there is a risk of missing something. > > > > There's also the hazard of having a cord with two male ends hanging around > > the house. I hope you don't have any little kids. > > > > A transfer switch can be as simple as a $100 (less on Ebay) Square D > > lockout > > panel for the backup loads. It pretty much guarantees that you'll never > > hurt anyone with your backup power system. Cheap insurance, IMO. > > > > The ET can be very useful for backup power, but I'd hate to see anyone > > killed as a result of using it for that purpose. > > > > End of sermon. > > > > > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Note: mail sent to the "etpost" address will not reach me. 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