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Re: Ventilation
Well I'm thinking more about air flow for covid, but it would have ongoing
value for future summers, as vertical airflow will remove hot air more
effectively, and doesn't depend on a breeze.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 10:11 AM Joshua Burson <joshburson09 gmail com> wrote:
> Might be an idea, yeah. I think we've talked about using heat pumps for
> a
> similar purpose. Both vent. fans and a heat pump might be especially
> useful at Old North, where air conditioning is more complicated, and
> where
> the ceiling already has holes from the old Ellacombe apparatus that it
> might be possible to re-use.
>
> Should Dale ask the churches and/or the Historic Site about this?
>
> --Josh
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:48 AM Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail com>
> wrote:
>
> > I recently installed an exhaust fan in my house. I'm wondering if we
> > should consider installing a permanent fan in the belfry to pull air up
> > from the ringing room, with baffles to minimize bell sound coming
> through.
> >
> > Should I work on designing such?
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:07 PM Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers <
> > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >
> > > This is not the article I was thinking of, and I don’t know how
> reliable
> > > “The Local” in Switzerland is, but more feedback on face shields:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.thelocal.ch/20200715/only-those-with-plastic-visors-were-infected-swiss-government-warns-against-face-shields
> > >
> > > Ricky
> > >
> > > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Richard Morse via
> Boston-change-ringers <
> > > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, I’ve just spent a bit looking through my RSS feeds at both home
> and
> > > work, and also doing some googling. Whatever I saw, it didn’t come
> > through
> > > RSS, which means it was probably through Twitter, so that’s not
> > trustworthy
> > > (not that RSS is more inherently trustworthy, but it’s easier for me
> > > to
> > > find it and evaluate the source).
> > > >
> > > > So I also searched online (both DDG and Google). Apparently right
> > > > now
> > > the answer is that there is no consensus about whether face shields
> > > can
> > > replace face masks. I’ve found a bunch of different news sites (not
> > wildly
> > > partisan ones, but ones that at least pretend they are interested in
> the
> > > truth) basically saying that there is not enough evidence.
> > > >
> > > > The CDC’s guidance is:
> > > >
> > > >> It is not known if face shields provide any benefit as source
> control
> > > to protect others from the spray of respiratory particles. CDC does
> > > not
> > > recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a
> > > substitute for cloth face coverings. Some people may choose to use a
> face
> > > shield when sustained close contact with other people is expected. If
> > face
> > > shields are used without a mask, they should wrap around the sides of
> the
> > > wearer’s face and extend to below the chin. Disposable face shields
> > should
> > > only be worn for a single use. Reusable face shields should be
> > > cleaned
> > and
> > > disinfected after each use.
> > > >
> > > > So who knows…
> > > >
> > > > Ricky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Richard Morse via
> Boston-change-ringers <
> > > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I just saw yesterday or the day before some article saying that
> > > >> face
> > > shields by themselves are not effective; you need the masks as well…
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Some other ideas...
> > > >>> 1. are full face shields an acceptable alternative to masks?
> > > >>> 2. Should we investigate installing acrylic barriers?
> > > >>> 3. Could/should we organize different bands with different levels
> of
> > > risk
> > > >>> tolerance?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> For the latter, I would envision creating dividers, suspended off
> the
> > > >>> floor, 3' high, basically like an apple slicer with a larger
> center.
> > > >>> Probably about $1000 for materials.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Slicer-Cutter-Divider-8-Blade-Stainless/dp/B07S1MD7KB/ref=asc_df_B07S1MD7KB
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:17 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> They have done a good job with this list. The Change-ringing
> online
> > > group
> > > >>>> has had a lot of stuff as well, including a long thread called
> > > staircases,
> > > >>>> which mentions the only one person touches stuff rule. The
> > > >>>> stairs
> > > (and at
> > > >>>> the Advent, anteroom) don't leave room for distancing, so a
> > sequential
> > > >>>> arrival would be needed, with the first person up opening
> > > >>>> windows.
> > > >>>> The ringers at Chelmsford Cathedral UK have been posting videos
> > > >>>> of
> > > their
> > > >>>> return
> > > >>>> The one from the 12th had distance, no mask, and an open window
> > > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NlZ55-iuAY
> > > >>>> In yesterday's video, one couldn't even see an open window, but
> > there
> > > >>>> might have been one elsewhere in the room
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJLCIvp_U8
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I would want distance, masks, and open windows (I presume that
> will
> > be
> > > >>>> true for me even in January). I think we could agree on methods
> > > >>>> in
> > > advance
> > > >>>> by email, if people don't think a lot of conducting is safe. As
> > > Danielle
> > > >>>> mentioned, we'd need to register at the Advent. Even if we're
> > > >>>> not
> > > attending
> > > >>>> the service, we'd be sharing the space.
> > > >>>> https://reopen.church/r/QRkr33bG
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I'll be interested to see how Old North does with the tourists,
> > before
> > > >>>> worshippers start showing up again in September.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Laura Dickerson
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> From: "Edward Futcher via Boston-change-ringers" <
> > > >>>> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> > > >>>> To: "Bcr" <boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 6:01:15 AM
> > > >>>> Subject: Starting ringing
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The list of items below has been given some thought by the DC
> > ringers.
> > > >>>> Some items are not applicable to Boston ringing, but this might
> be a
> > > good
> > > >>>> starting point for a discussion in Boston.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Ed
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> From: Robert Bannister
> > > >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:12 AM
> > > >>>> To: WRSList Groups io
> > > >>>> Subject: [WRS] PLEASE RESPOND re: safety measures
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hi, all. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion
> following
> > > >>>> practice Tuesday night regarding the draft list of safety
> measures.
> > > After
> > > >>>> further back and forth among the officers, we landed on the
> revised
> > > list
> > > >>>> below. Please reply to me by this Wednesday night (July 22) as
> > > >>>> to
> > > whether
> > > >>>> you’d be interested in participating in Sunday service ringing
> with
> > > these
> > > >>>> safety measures in place. Your response doesn’t obligate you one
> way
> > > or the
> > > >>>> other. You can change your mind later. And keep in mind that the
> > > safety
> > > >>>> measure may need to be updated to conform with Cathedral
> > > >>>> reopening
> > > >>>> protocols once those are developed and provided to us. However,
> > > >>>> we
> > are
> > > >>>> trying to understand if enough ringers are interested in a
> > > >>>> return
> to
> > > Sunday
> > > >>>> service ringing with these measures in place before we present
> them
> > > to the
> > > >>>> Cathedral, so please do give your response some thought before
> > > responding.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> Rob
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> • Inspect the bells and ropes to ensure they’re safe to ring
> > > >>>> • Anyone with an elevated temperature or otherwise feeling
> > > >>>> unwell
> > > must not
> > > >>>> participate. Likewise, anyone with Covid symptoms or who has
> tested
> > > >>>> positive or been in contact with anyone with symptoms, must not
> > > participate
> > > >>>> until they have self-isolated for 2 weeks.
> > > >>>> • No visitors
> > > >>>> • Limit frequency of ringing to Sunday service ringing only (at
> > least
> > > >>>> initially)
> > > >>>> • Limit the duration of ringing to 15-30 minutes
> > > >>>> • Limit the number of bells rung initially to enforce social
> > > distancing
> > > >>>> while ringing (probably no more than 5 non-adjacent bells)
> > > >>>> • Limit the number of ringers in the ringing room (just enough
> > > >>>> to
> > > ring)
> > > >>>> • Keep ringers on same ropes for entire session (including
> > > >>>> ringing
> > up
> > > and
> > > >>>> down)
> > > >>>> • Accessing the ringing room
> > > >>>> o When ascending to and descending from the overcroft level, no
> more
> > > than
> > > >>>> 2 people will ride the elevator together
> > > >>>> o When using the central tower elevator, only 1 person will ride
> the
> > > >>>> elevator per trip
> > > >>>> o When using the spiral staircase, leave ample time and space
> > between
> > > >>>> ascents/descents
> > > >>>> • Either open the windows or run the HVAC system to maximize air
> > > >>>> circulation based on prevailing weather conditions
> > > >>>> • Wear face masks upon entering the Cathedral and at all times
> when
> > > in the
> > > >>>> tower, including while ringing
> > > >>>> • Wash hands with soap and water before/after ringing and keep
> hand
> > > >>>> sanitizer in the ringing room
> > > >>>> • Avoid shouting (e.g., by ringing plain courses of simple
> methods)
> > > >>>> • Minimize sharing of items
> > > >>>> o Assign only one person to turn on/off lights, open/close
> windows,
> > > etc.
> > > >>>> o Assign same person for removal/replacement of silencer for
> > > >>>> given
> > > bell(s)
> > > >>>> o Minimize handling of items in the ringing room (e.g., limit
> > > >>>> use
> of
> > > water
> > > >>>> cooler)
> > > >>>> • Maintain record of ringers who have been in the ringing
> > > >>>> chamber
> to
> > > >>>> assist with contact tracing if the need arises
> > > >>>> • Adjust protocols to comply with Cathedral’s if Cathedral’s are
> > more
> > > >>>> restrictive
> > > >>>> _._,_._,_
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