Ventilation

[Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail com>]

I recently installed an exhaust fan in my house.  I'm wondering if we
should consider installing a permanent fan in the belfry to pull air up
from the ringing room, with baffles to minimize bell sound coming through.

Should I work on designing such?

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:07 PM Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers <
boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:

> This is not the article I was thinking of, and I don’t know how reliable
> “The Local” in Switzerland is, but more feedback on face shields:
>
>
> https://www.thelocal.ch/20200715/only-those-with-plastic-visors-were-infected-swiss-government-warns-against-face-shields
>
> Ricky
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers <
> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I’ve just spent a bit looking through my RSS feeds at both home and
> work, and also doing some googling. Whatever I saw, it didn’t come 
> through
> RSS, which means it was probably through Twitter, so that’s not 
> trustworthy
> (not that RSS is more inherently trustworthy, but it’s easier for me to
> find it and evaluate the source).
> >
> > So I also searched online (both DDG and Google). Apparently right now
> the answer is that there is no consensus about whether face shields can
> replace face masks. I’ve found a bunch of different news sites (not 
> wildly
> partisan ones, but ones that at least pretend they are interested in the
> truth) basically saying that there is not enough evidence.
> >
> > The CDC’s guidance is:
> >
> >> It is not known if face shields provide any benefit as source control
> to protect others from the spray of respiratory particles. CDC does not
> recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a
> substitute for cloth face coverings. Some people may choose to use a face
> shield when sustained close contact with other people is expected. If 
> face
> shields are used without a mask, they should wrap around the sides of the
> wearer’s face and extend to below the chin. Disposable face shields 
> should
> only be worn for a single use. Reusable face shields should be cleaned 
> and
> disinfected after each use.
> >
> > So who knows…
> >
> > Ricky
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers <
> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just saw yesterday or the day before some article saying that face
> shields by themselves are not effective; you need the masks as well…
> >>
> >>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Some other ideas...
> >>> 1. are full face shields an acceptable alternative to masks?
> >>> 2. Should we investigate installing acrylic barriers?
> >>> 3. Could/should we organize different bands with different levels of
> risk
> >>> tolerance?
> >>>
> >>> For the latter, I would envision creating dividers, suspended off the
> >>> floor, 3' high, basically like an apple slicer with a larger center.
> >>> Probably about $1000 for materials.
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Slicer-Cutter-Divider-8-Blade-Stainless/dp/B07S1MD7KB/ref=asc_df_B07S1MD7KB
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:17 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> They have done a good job with this list. The Change-ringing online
> group
> >>>> has had a lot of stuff as well, including a long thread called
> staircases,
> >>>> which mentions the only one person touches stuff rule. The stairs
> (and at
> >>>> the Advent, anteroom) don't leave room for distancing, so a 
> >>>> sequential
> >>>> arrival would be needed, with the first person up opening windows.
> >>>> The ringers at Chelmsford Cathedral UK have been posting videos of
> their
> >>>> return
> >>>> The one from the 12th had distance, no mask, and an open window
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NlZ55-iuAY
> >>>> In yesterday's video, one couldn't even see an open window, but 
> >>>> there
> >>>> might have been one elsewhere in the room
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJLCIvp_U8
> >>>>
> >>>> I would want distance, masks, and open windows (I presume that will 
> >>>> be
> >>>> true for me even in January). I think we could agree on methods in
> advance
> >>>> by email, if people don't think a lot of conducting is safe. As
> Danielle
> >>>> mentioned, we'd need to register at the Advent. Even if we're not
> attending
> >>>> the service, we'd be sharing the space.
> >>>> https://reopen.church/r/QRkr33bG
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll be interested to see how Old North does with the tourists, 
> >>>> before
> >>>> worshippers start showing up again in September.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Laura Dickerson
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Edward Futcher via Boston-change-ringers" <
> >>>> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> >>>> To: "Bcr" <boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 6:01:15 AM
> >>>> Subject: Starting ringing
> >>>>
> >>>> The list of items below has been given some thought by the DC 
> >>>> ringers.
> >>>> Some items are not applicable to Boston ringing, but this might be a
> good
> >>>> starting point for a discussion in Boston.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Robert Bannister
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:12 AM
> >>>> To: WRSList Groups io
> >>>> Subject: [WRS] PLEASE RESPOND re: safety measures
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, all. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion following
> >>>> practice Tuesday night regarding the draft list of safety measures.
> After
> >>>> further back and forth among the officers, we landed on the revised
> list
> >>>> below. Please reply to me by this Wednesday night (July 22) as to
> whether
> >>>> you’d be interested in participating in Sunday service ringing with
> these
> >>>> safety measures in place. Your response doesn’t obligate you one way
> or the
> >>>> other. You can change your mind later. And keep in mind that the
> safety
> >>>> measure may need to be updated to conform with Cathedral reopening
> >>>> protocols once those are developed and provided to us. However, we 
> >>>> are
> >>>> trying to understand if enough ringers are interested in a return to
> Sunday
> >>>> service ringing with these measures in place before we present them
> to the
> >>>> Cathedral, so please do give your response some thought before
> responding.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Rob
> >>>>
> >>>> • Inspect the bells and ropes to ensure they’re safe to ring
> >>>> • Anyone with an elevated temperature or otherwise feeling unwell
> must not
> >>>> participate. Likewise, anyone with Covid symptoms or who has tested
> >>>> positive or been in contact with anyone with symptoms, must not
> participate
> >>>> until they have self-isolated for 2 weeks.
> >>>> • No visitors
> >>>> • Limit frequency of ringing to Sunday service ringing only (at 
> >>>> least
> >>>> initially)
> >>>> • Limit the duration of ringing to 15-30 minutes
> >>>> • Limit the number of bells rung initially to enforce social
> distancing
> >>>> while ringing (probably no more than 5 non-adjacent bells)
> >>>> • Limit the number of ringers in the ringing room (just enough to
> ring)
> >>>> • Keep ringers on same ropes for entire session (including ringing 
> >>>> up
> and
> >>>> down)
> >>>> • Accessing the ringing room
> >>>> o When ascending to and descending from the overcroft level, no more
> than
> >>>> 2 people will ride the elevator together
> >>>> o When using the central tower elevator, only 1 person will ride the
> >>>> elevator per trip
> >>>> o When using the spiral staircase, leave ample time and space 
> >>>> between
> >>>> ascents/descents
> >>>> • Either open the windows or run the HVAC system to maximize air
> >>>> circulation based on prevailing weather conditions
> >>>> • Wear face masks upon entering the Cathedral and at all times when
> in the
> >>>> tower, including while ringing
> >>>> • Wash hands with soap and water before/after ringing and keep hand
> >>>> sanitizer in the ringing room
> >>>> • Avoid shouting (e.g., by ringing plain courses of simple methods)
> >>>> • Minimize sharing of items
> >>>> o Assign only one person to turn on/off lights, open/close windows,
> etc.
> >>>> o Assign same person for removal/replacement of silencer for given
> bell(s)
> >>>> o Minimize handling of items in the ringing room (e.g., limit use of
> water
> >>>> cooler)
> >>>> • Maintain record of ringers who have been in the ringing chamber to
> >>>> assist with contact tracing if the need arises
> >>>> • Adjust protocols to comply with Cathedral’s if Cathedral’s are 
> >>>> more
> >>>> restrictive
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