Re: Starting ringing

[Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail com>]

Regarding testing, there is discussion heating up about differences between
tests like ID Now vs PCR.  For this purpose, a cheap, fast test that
detects high viral load may be much more useful than a more sensitive test
that is slow and expensive.  Recent medcram video addressed this, though
I'm afraid it got technical details wrong.

But the focus in the US has been on the latter, so the availability of the
former is lagging.  8-(

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 11:14 AM Austin Paul <austinjpaul gmail com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the discussion.
>
> I've been talking with Dale who has been communicating with Advent and I
> have created a survey that I will send around shortly after some revision
> (probably sometime this afternoon).
>
> Some points regarding above:
> - Should it be relevant, I would advise towards the ,13,5,7 over the
> 1,4,6,8: strapping to raise the tenor is right out, and doing it alone
> might be too aerobic and particle-generatey for the time being. (I also
> think the odd-bell set sounds nicer, but that's a personal taste)
> - You can look up what the WHO says about aerosol transmission, but
> basically the jury's out so we can't rule it out yet.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/health/coronavirus-aerosols-who.html,
> https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted
> - Testing is not easy, painless, and accessible enough to make it 
> feasible
> to have people tested every time before ringing. And as a further point,
> false negatives are a thing, today's Globe has a nice op-ed about it 
> here:
>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/22/opinion/what-does-negative-coronavirus-test-really-reveal/
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:32 AM Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers 
> <
> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
>
> > Ok, I’ve just spent a bit looking through my RSS feeds at both home and
> > work, and also doing some googling. Whatever I saw, it didn’t come
> through
> > RSS, which means it was probably through Twitter, so that’s not
> trustworthy
> > (not that RSS is more inherently trustworthy, but it’s easier for me to
> > find it and evaluate the source).
> >
> > So I also searched online (both DDG and Google). Apparently right now 
> > the
> > answer is that there is no consensus about whether face shields can
> replace
> > face masks. I’ve found a bunch of different news sites (not wildly
> partisan
> > ones, but ones that at least pretend they are interested in the truth)
> > basically saying that there is not enough evidence.
> >
> > The CDC’s guidance is:
> >
> > > It is not known if face shields provide any benefit as source control
> to
> > protect others from the spray of respiratory particles. CDC does not
> > recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a
> > substitute for cloth face coverings. Some people may choose to use a 
> > face
> > shield when sustained close contact with other people is expected. If
> face
> > shields are used without a mask, they should wrap around the sides of 
> > the
> > wearer’s face and extend to below the chin. Disposable face shields
> should
> > only be worn for a single use. Reusable face shields should be cleaned
> and
> > disinfected after each use.
> >
> > So who knows…
> >
> > Ricky
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers 
> > > <
> > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just saw yesterday or the day before some article saying that face
> > shields by themselves are not effective; you need the masks as well…
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Some other ideas...
> > >> 1. are full face shields an acceptable alternative to masks?
> > >> 2. Should we investigate installing acrylic barriers?
> > >> 3. Could/should we organize different bands with different levels of
> > risk
> > >> tolerance?
> > >>
> > >> For the latter, I would envision creating dividers, suspended off 
> > >> the
> > >> floor, 3' high, basically like an apple slicer with a larger center.
> > >> Probably about $1000 for materials.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Slicer-Cutter-Divider-8-Blade-Stainless/dp/B07S1MD7KB/ref=asc_df_B07S1MD7KB
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:17 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> They have done a good job with this list. The Change-ringing online
> > group
> > >>> has had a lot of stuff as well, including a long thread called
> > staircases,
> > >>> which mentions the only one person touches stuff rule. The stairs
> (and
> > at
> > >>> the Advent, anteroom) don't leave room for distancing, so a
> sequential
> > >>> arrival would be needed, with the first person up opening windows.
> > >>> The ringers at Chelmsford Cathedral UK have been posting videos of
> > their
> > >>> return
> > >>> The one from the 12th had distance, no mask, and an open window
> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NlZ55-iuAY
> > >>> In yesterday's video, one couldn't even see an open window, but 
> > >>> there
> > >>> might have been one elsewhere in the room
> > >>>
> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJLCIvp_U8
> > >>>
> > >>> I would want distance, masks, and open windows (I presume that will
> be
> > >>> true for me even in January). I think we could agree on methods in
> > advance
> > >>> by email, if people don't think a lot of conducting is safe. As
> > Danielle
> > >>> mentioned, we'd need to register at the Advent. Even if we're not
> > attending
> > >>> the service, we'd be sharing the space.
> > >>> https://reopen.church/r/QRkr33bG
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll be interested to see how Old North does with the tourists,
> before
> > >>> worshippers start showing up again in September.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Laura Dickerson
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>
> > >>> From: "Edward Futcher via Boston-change-ringers" <
> > >>> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> > >>> To: "Bcr" <boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> > >>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 6:01:15 AM
> > >>> Subject: Starting ringing
> > >>>
> > >>> The list of items below has been given some thought by the DC
> ringers.
> > >>> Some items are not applicable to Boston ringing, but this might be 
> > >>> a
> > good
> > >>> starting point for a discussion in Boston.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ed
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > >>>
> > >>> From: Robert Bannister
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:12 AM
> > >>> To: WRSList Groups io
> > >>> Subject: [WRS] PLEASE RESPOND re: safety measures
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi, all. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion following
> > >>> practice Tuesday night regarding the draft list of safety measures.
> > After
> > >>> further back and forth among the officers, we landed on the revised
> > list
> > >>> below. Please reply to me by this Wednesday night (July 22) as to
> > whether
> > >>> you’d be interested in participating in Sunday service ringing with
> > these
> > >>> safety measures in place. Your response doesn’t obligate you one 
> > >>> way
> > or the
> > >>> other. You can change your mind later. And keep in mind that the
> safety
> > >>> measure may need to be updated to conform with Cathedral reopening
> > >>> protocols once those are developed and provided to us. However, we
> are
> > >>> trying to understand if enough ringers are interested in a return 
> > >>> to
> > Sunday
> > >>> service ringing with these measures in place before we present them
> to
> > the
> > >>> Cathedral, so please do give your response some thought before
> > responding.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Rob
> > >>>
> > >>> • Inspect the bells and ropes to ensure they’re safe to ring
> > >>> • Anyone with an elevated temperature or otherwise feeling unwell
> must
> > not
> > >>> participate. Likewise, anyone with Covid symptoms or who has tested
> > >>> positive or been in contact with anyone with symptoms, must not
> > participate
> > >>> until they have self-isolated for 2 weeks.
> > >>> • No visitors
> > >>> • Limit frequency of ringing to Sunday service ringing only (at 
> > >>> least
> > >>> initially)
> > >>> • Limit the duration of ringing to 15-30 minutes
> > >>> • Limit the number of bells rung initially to enforce social
> distancing
> > >>> while ringing (probably no more than 5 non-adjacent bells)
> > >>> • Limit the number of ringers in the ringing room (just enough to
> ring)
> > >>> • Keep ringers on same ropes for entire session (including ringing 
> > >>> up
> > and
> > >>> down)
> > >>> • Accessing the ringing room
> > >>> o When ascending to and descending from the overcroft level, no 
> > >>> more
> > than
> > >>> 2 people will ride the elevator together
> > >>> o When using the central tower elevator, only 1 person will ride 
> > >>> the
> > >>> elevator per trip
> > >>> o When using the spiral staircase, leave ample time and space 
> > >>> between
> > >>> ascents/descents
> > >>> • Either open the windows or run the HVAC system to maximize air
> > >>> circulation based on prevailing weather conditions
> > >>> • Wear face masks upon entering the Cathedral and at all times when
> in
> > the
> > >>> tower, including while ringing
> > >>> • Wash hands with soap and water before/after ringing and keep hand
> > >>> sanitizer in the ringing room
> > >>> • Avoid shouting (e.g., by ringing plain courses of simple methods)
> > >>> • Minimize sharing of items
> > >>> o Assign only one person to turn on/off lights, open/close windows,
> > etc.
> > >>> o Assign same person for removal/replacement of silencer for given
> > bell(s)
> > >>> o Minimize handling of items in the ringing room (e.g., limit use 
> > >>> of
> > water
> > >>> cooler)
> > >>> • Maintain record of ringers who have been in the ringing chamber 
> > >>> to
> > >>> assist with contact tracing if the need arises
> > >>> • Adjust protocols to comply with Cathedral’s if Cathedral’s are 
> > >>> more
> > >>> restrictive
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