Re: Starting ringing

[Austin Paul <austinjpaul gmail com>]

Thanks all for the discussion.

I've been talking with Dale who has been communicating with Advent and I
have created a survey that I will send around shortly after some revision
(probably sometime this afternoon).

Some points regarding above:
- Should it be relevant, I would advise towards the ,13,5,7 over the
1,4,6,8: strapping to raise the tenor is right out, and doing it alone
might be too aerobic and particle-generatey for the time being. (I also
think the odd-bell set sounds nicer, but that's a personal taste)
- You can look up what the WHO says about aerosol transmission, but
basically the jury's out so we can't rule it out yet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/health/coronavirus-aerosols-who.html,
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted
- Testing is not easy, painless, and accessible enough to make it feasible
to have people tested every time before ringing. And as a further point,
false negatives are a thing, today's Globe has a nice op-ed about it here:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/22/opinion/what-does-negative-coronavirus-test-really-reveal/

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:32 AM Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers <
boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:

> Ok, I’ve just spent a bit looking through my RSS feeds at both home and
> work, and also doing some googling. Whatever I saw, it didn’t come 
> through
> RSS, which means it was probably through Twitter, so that’s not 
> trustworthy
> (not that RSS is more inherently trustworthy, but it’s easier for me to
> find it and evaluate the source).
>
> So I also searched online (both DDG and Google). Apparently right now the
> answer is that there is no consensus about whether face shields can 
> replace
> face masks. I’ve found a bunch of different news sites (not wildly 
> partisan
> ones, but ones that at least pretend they are interested in the truth)
> basically saying that there is not enough evidence.
>
> The CDC’s guidance is:
>
> > It is not known if face shields provide any benefit as source control 
> > to
> protect others from the spray of respiratory particles. CDC does not
> recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a
> substitute for cloth face coverings. Some people may choose to use a face
> shield when sustained close contact with other people is expected. If 
> face
> shields are used without a mask, they should wrap around the sides of the
> wearer’s face and extend to below the chin. Disposable face shields 
> should
> only be worn for a single use. Reusable face shields should be cleaned 
> and
> disinfected after each use.
>
> So who knows…
>
> Ricky
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers <
> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >
> > I just saw yesterday or the day before some article saying that face
> shields by themselves are not effective; you need the masks as well…
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some other ideas...
> >> 1. are full face shields an acceptable alternative to masks?
> >> 2. Should we investigate installing acrylic barriers?
> >> 3. Could/should we organize different bands with different levels of
> risk
> >> tolerance?
> >>
> >> For the latter, I would envision creating dividers, suspended off the
> >> floor, 3' high, basically like an apple slicer with a larger center.
> >> Probably about $1000 for materials.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Slicer-Cutter-Divider-8-Blade-Stainless/dp/B07S1MD7KB/ref=asc_df_B07S1MD7KB
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:17 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> They have done a good job with this list. The Change-ringing online
> group
> >>> has had a lot of stuff as well, including a long thread called
> staircases,
> >>> which mentions the only one person touches stuff rule. The stairs 
> >>> (and
> at
> >>> the Advent, anteroom) don't leave room for distancing, so a 
> >>> sequential
> >>> arrival would be needed, with the first person up opening windows.
> >>> The ringers at Chelmsford Cathedral UK have been posting videos of
> their
> >>> return
> >>> The one from the 12th had distance, no mask, and an open window
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NlZ55-iuAY
> >>> In yesterday's video, one couldn't even see an open window, but there
> >>> might have been one elsewhere in the room
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJLCIvp_U8
> >>>
> >>> I would want distance, masks, and open windows (I presume that will 
> >>> be
> >>> true for me even in January). I think we could agree on methods in
> advance
> >>> by email, if people don't think a lot of conducting is safe. As
> Danielle
> >>> mentioned, we'd need to register at the Advent. Even if we're not
> attending
> >>> the service, we'd be sharing the space.
> >>> https://reopen.church/r/QRkr33bG
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'll be interested to see how Old North does with the tourists, 
> >>> before
> >>> worshippers start showing up again in September.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Laura Dickerson
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: "Edward Futcher via Boston-change-ringers" <
> >>> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> >>> To: "Bcr" <boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> >>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 6:01:15 AM
> >>> Subject: Starting ringing
> >>>
> >>> The list of items below has been given some thought by the DC 
> >>> ringers.
> >>> Some items are not applicable to Boston ringing, but this might be a
> good
> >>> starting point for a discussion in Boston.
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >>>
> >>> From: Robert Bannister
> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:12 AM
> >>> To: WRSList Groups io
> >>> Subject: [WRS] PLEASE RESPOND re: safety measures
> >>>
> >>> Hi, all. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion following
> >>> practice Tuesday night regarding the draft list of safety measures.
> After
> >>> further back and forth among the officers, we landed on the revised
> list
> >>> below. Please reply to me by this Wednesday night (July 22) as to
> whether
> >>> you’d be interested in participating in Sunday service ringing with
> these
> >>> safety measures in place. Your response doesn’t obligate you one way
> or the
> >>> other. You can change your mind later. And keep in mind that the 
> >>> safety
> >>> measure may need to be updated to conform with Cathedral reopening
> >>> protocols once those are developed and provided to us. However, we 
> >>> are
> >>> trying to understand if enough ringers are interested in a return to
> Sunday
> >>> service ringing with these measures in place before we present them 
> >>> to
> the
> >>> Cathedral, so please do give your response some thought before
> responding.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Rob
> >>>
> >>> • Inspect the bells and ropes to ensure they’re safe to ring
> >>> • Anyone with an elevated temperature or otherwise feeling unwell 
> >>> must
> not
> >>> participate. Likewise, anyone with Covid symptoms or who has tested
> >>> positive or been in contact with anyone with symptoms, must not
> participate
> >>> until they have self-isolated for 2 weeks.
> >>> • No visitors
> >>> • Limit frequency of ringing to Sunday service ringing only (at least
> >>> initially)
> >>> • Limit the duration of ringing to 15-30 minutes
> >>> • Limit the number of bells rung initially to enforce social 
> >>> distancing
> >>> while ringing (probably no more than 5 non-adjacent bells)
> >>> • Limit the number of ringers in the ringing room (just enough to 
> >>> ring)
> >>> • Keep ringers on same ropes for entire session (including ringing up
> and
> >>> down)
> >>> • Accessing the ringing room
> >>> o When ascending to and descending from the overcroft level, no more
> than
> >>> 2 people will ride the elevator together
> >>> o When using the central tower elevator, only 1 person will ride the
> >>> elevator per trip
> >>> o When using the spiral staircase, leave ample time and space between
> >>> ascents/descents
> >>> • Either open the windows or run the HVAC system to maximize air
> >>> circulation based on prevailing weather conditions
> >>> • Wear face masks upon entering the Cathedral and at all times when 
> >>> in
> the
> >>> tower, including while ringing
> >>> • Wash hands with soap and water before/after ringing and keep hand
> >>> sanitizer in the ringing room
> >>> • Avoid shouting (e.g., by ringing plain courses of simple methods)
> >>> • Minimize sharing of items
> >>> o Assign only one person to turn on/off lights, open/close windows,
> etc.
> >>> o Assign same person for removal/replacement of silencer for given
> bell(s)
> >>> o Minimize handling of items in the ringing room (e.g., limit use of
> water
> >>> cooler)
> >>> • Maintain record of ringers who have been in the ringing chamber to
> >>> assist with contact tracing if the need arises
> >>> • Adjust protocols to comply with Cathedral’s if Cathedral’s are more
> >>> restrictive
> >>> _._,_._,_
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