Re: Starting ringing

[Mira Whiting <mirawhiting gmail com>]

Also, on the testing front -- results have been taking ages to come in
(7-13 days for friends who have had it done recently), so even if people
were willing, it's not clear the results would available on a useful
timeline for ringing.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:14 AM Austin Paul <austinjpaul gmail com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the discussion.
>
> I've been talking with Dale who has been communicating with Advent and I
> have created a survey that I will send around shortly after some revision
> (probably sometime this afternoon).
>
> Some points regarding above:
> - Should it be relevant, I would advise towards the ,13,5,7 over the
> 1,4,6,8: strapping to raise the tenor is right out, and doing it alone
> might be too aerobic and particle-generatey for the time being. (I also
> think the odd-bell set sounds nicer, but that's a personal taste)
> - You can look up what the WHO says about aerosol transmission, but
> basically the jury's out so we can't rule it out yet.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/health/coronavirus-aerosols-who.html,
> https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted
> - Testing is not easy, painless, and accessible enough to make it 
> feasible
> to have people tested every time before ringing. And as a further point,
> false negatives are a thing, today's Globe has a nice op-ed about it 
> here:
>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/22/opinion/what-does-negative-coronavirus-test-really-reveal/
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:32 AM Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers 
> <
> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
>
> > Ok, I’ve just spent a bit looking through my RSS feeds at both home and
> > work, and also doing some googling. Whatever I saw, it didn’t come
> through
> > RSS, which means it was probably through Twitter, so that’s not
> trustworthy
> > (not that RSS is more inherently trustworthy, but it’s easier for me to
> > find it and evaluate the source).
> >
> > So I also searched online (both DDG and Google). Apparently right now 
> > the
> > answer is that there is no consensus about whether face shields can
> replace
> > face masks. I’ve found a bunch of different news sites (not wildly
> partisan
> > ones, but ones that at least pretend they are interested in the truth)
> > basically saying that there is not enough evidence.
> >
> > The CDC’s guidance is:
> >
> > > It is not known if face shields provide any benefit as source control
> to
> > protect others from the spray of respiratory particles. CDC does not
> > recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a
> > substitute for cloth face coverings. Some people may choose to use a 
> > face
> > shield when sustained close contact with other people is expected. If
> face
> > shields are used without a mask, they should wrap around the sides of 
> > the
> > wearer’s face and extend to below the chin. Disposable face shields
> should
> > only be worn for a single use. Reusable face shields should be cleaned
> and
> > disinfected after each use.
> >
> > So who knows…
> >
> > Ricky
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Richard Morse via Boston-change-ringers 
> > > <
> > boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just saw yesterday or the day before some article saying that face
> > shields by themselves are not effective; you need the masks as well…
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Gregory Russell <gfr10598 gmail com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Some other ideas...
> > >> 1. are full face shields an acceptable alternative to masks?
> > >> 2. Should we investigate installing acrylic barriers?
> > >> 3. Could/should we organize different bands with different levels of
> > risk
> > >> tolerance?
> > >>
> > >> For the latter, I would envision creating dividers, suspended off 
> > >> the
> > >> floor, 3' high, basically like an apple slicer with a larger center.
> > >> Probably about $1000 for materials.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Slicer-Cutter-Divider-8-Blade-Stainless/dp/B07S1MD7KB/ref=asc_df_B07S1MD7KB
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:17 AM <lauradi rcn com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> They have done a good job with this list. The Change-ringing online
> > group
> > >>> has had a lot of stuff as well, including a long thread called
> > staircases,
> > >>> which mentions the only one person touches stuff rule. The stairs
> (and
> > at
> > >>> the Advent, anteroom) don't leave room for distancing, so a
> sequential
> > >>> arrival would be needed, with the first person up opening windows.
> > >>> The ringers at Chelmsford Cathedral UK have been posting videos of
> > their
> > >>> return
> > >>> The one from the 12th had distance, no mask, and an open window
> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NlZ55-iuAY
> > >>> In yesterday's video, one couldn't even see an open window, but 
> > >>> there
> > >>> might have been one elsewhere in the room
> > >>>
> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJLCIvp_U8
> > >>>
> > >>> I would want distance, masks, and open windows (I presume that will
> be
> > >>> true for me even in January). I think we could agree on methods in
> > advance
> > >>> by email, if people don't think a lot of conducting is safe. As
> > Danielle
> > >>> mentioned, we'd need to register at the Advent. Even if we're not
> > attending
> > >>> the service, we'd be sharing the space.
> > >>> https://reopen.church/r/QRkr33bG
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll be interested to see how Old North does with the tourists,
> before
> > >>> worshippers start showing up again in September.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Laura Dickerson
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>
> > >>> From: "Edward Futcher via Boston-change-ringers" <
> > >>> boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> > >>> To: "Bcr" <boston-change-ringers cosmos phy tufts edu>
> > >>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 6:01:15 AM
> > >>> Subject: Starting ringing
> > >>>
> > >>> The list of items below has been given some thought by the DC
> ringers.
> > >>> Some items are not applicable to Boston ringing, but this might be 
> > >>> a
> > good
> > >>> starting point for a discussion in Boston.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ed
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > >>>
> > >>> From: Robert Bannister
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:12 AM
> > >>> To: WRSList Groups io
> > >>> Subject: [WRS] PLEASE RESPOND re: safety measures
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi, all. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion following
> > >>> practice Tuesday night regarding the draft list of safety measures.
> > After
> > >>> further back and forth among the officers, we landed on the revised
> > list
> > >>> below. Please reply to me by this Wednesday night (July 22) as to
> > whether
> > >>> you’d be interested in participating in Sunday service ringing with
> > these
> > >>> safety measures in place. Your response doesn’t obligate you one 
> > >>> way
> > or the
> > >>> other. You can change your mind later. And keep in mind that the
> safety
> > >>> measure may need to be updated to conform with Cathedral reopening
> > >>> protocols once those are developed and provided to us. However, we
> are
> > >>> trying to understand if enough ringers are interested in a return 
> > >>> to
> > Sunday
> > >>> service ringing with these measures in place before we present them
> to
> > the
> > >>> Cathedral, so please do give your response some thought before
> > responding.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Rob
> > >>>
> > >>> • Inspect the bells and ropes to ensure they’re safe to ring
> > >>> • Anyone with an elevated temperature or otherwise feeling unwell
> must
> > not
> > >>> participate. Likewise, anyone with Covid symptoms or who has tested
> > >>> positive or been in contact with anyone with symptoms, must not
> > participate
> > >>> until they have self-isolated for 2 weeks.
> > >>> • No visitors
> > >>> • Limit frequency of ringing to Sunday service ringing only (at 
> > >>> least
> > >>> initially)
> > >>> • Limit the duration of ringing to 15-30 minutes
> > >>> • Limit the number of bells rung initially to enforce social
> distancing
> > >>> while ringing (probably no more than 5 non-adjacent bells)
> > >>> • Limit the number of ringers in the ringing room (just enough to
> ring)
> > >>> • Keep ringers on same ropes for entire session (including ringing 
> > >>> up
> > and
> > >>> down)
> > >>> • Accessing the ringing room
> > >>> o When ascending to and descending from the overcroft level, no 
> > >>> more
> > than
> > >>> 2 people will ride the elevator together
> > >>> o When using the central tower elevator, only 1 person will ride 
> > >>> the
> > >>> elevator per trip
> > >>> o When using the spiral staircase, leave ample time and space 
> > >>> between
> > >>> ascents/descents
> > >>> • Either open the windows or run the HVAC system to maximize air
> > >>> circulation based on prevailing weather conditions
> > >>> • Wear face masks upon entering the Cathedral and at all times when
> in
> > the
> > >>> tower, including while ringing
> > >>> • Wash hands with soap and water before/after ringing and keep hand
> > >>> sanitizer in the ringing room
> > >>> • Avoid shouting (e.g., by ringing plain courses of simple methods)
> > >>> • Minimize sharing of items
> > >>> o Assign only one person to turn on/off lights, open/close windows,
> > etc.
> > >>> o Assign same person for removal/replacement of silencer for given
> > bell(s)
> > >>> o Minimize handling of items in the ringing room (e.g., limit use 
> > >>> of
> > water
> > >>> cooler)
> > >>> • Maintain record of ringers who have been in the ringing chamber 
> > >>> to
> > >>> assist with contact tracing if the need arises
> > >>> • Adjust protocols to comply with Cathedral’s if Cathedral’s are 
> > >>> more
> > >>> restrictive
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