RE: (ET) gm car

["Humphrey, Timothy" <HumphreyT neads ang af mil>]

Yes!

The studies you are looking for are on the web. However, it will take me a
day or two to re-discover them. 

Start by looking on the crest.org site. or NREL


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pieter Litchfield [mailto:plitch attglobal net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:12 AM
> To: Discussion List Electrac tractor
> Subject: Re: (ET) gm car
> 
> 
> Well don't condemn GM too soon.  There isn't any 
> infrastructure out there,
> little public acceptance (except here).  I think they were 
> leased because GM
> didn't want to have owners "stranded" down the road, giving 
> the perception
> that GM was acting unethically by selling a product that it wouldn't
> support.  At least with all the leased vehicles off the road, 
> we can't say
> GM unfairly abandoned us.
> 
> For the moment, it appears that hybrids are gaining acceptance.
> 
> Does anyone know of a study that attempts to quantify all the costs of
> building and operating a vehicle?  Manufacturing, raw 
> materials, fuel, fuel
> transpiration,disposal, etc?  I love my ET, but I'm not 
> convinced when all
> is taken into account that it is an economic choice.  For 
> example, while the
> vehicle itself is "clean", the power plant that made the Kws 
> to charge it is
> not.  But it can be or a cost.  IInterestingly, the pollution from the
> mid-west falls where I live, so my advocating for more 
> electric vehicles
> could have a real personal "cost" to me.  Anyway, that Kw must be
> transported on the grid with losses, transformed (producing 
> heat) to charge
> the battery, and stored in a medium that produces a chemical reaction
> resulting in a bit of gas discharge. In addition, the 
> batteries contain lead
> which has a disposal cost encountered every few years.  And 
> we have barely
> scratched the surface of costs. So what are the "true" costs 
> of producing
> and using an ET (or any EV) compared to, say, a John Deere of 
> comparable HP?
> No taking sides, just curious.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Korthof" <wkorthof earthlink net>
> To: "Neil Dennis" <wombat dssinternet net>; "Elec-trak"
> <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: (ET) gm car
> 
> 
> > Yeah, by hook and by crook GM is yanking away
> > each of the EV1 electric cars from the "owners"
> > as quickly as they legally can. It's a shame GM
> > stopped EV1 production (a long time ago!). But
> > it's also disappointing that they refused to allow
> > anyone to buy an EV1 (lease only!) for _any_
> > price from the start to the end. Many thousands
> > of EV1 wannabe "wait list" EV customer were
> > turned away as well, and now every single EV1
> > ---1000+ or so---is being taken off the road.
> >
> > Boy am I glad GM is so enthusiastic about
> > building technology for the future. not.
> >
> > /wk
> >
> > At 06:59 PM 3/11/03 -0500, Neil Dennis wrote:
> > >An announcment in the news tonight, GM is recalling their 
> electric car
> > >and going out of the business.
> > >
> > >Kinda a downer {)-{
> > >
> > >wombat
> >
>