RE: (ET) New failure mode...

["Elie, Larry (L.D.)" <lelie ford com>]

Actually, I HAVE seen this.  The forward/reverse micro-switch is out of
adjustment (bent wrong) OR 
the throttle pin is worn or too small.  This is the switch under the 
control
mounted at an angle.

If the pin that holds the throttle lever has been replaced, you can get
motion that allows reverse before 
forward has stopped or vise/versa.  Similarly, if the micro switch is bent
wrong you can get the same 
motion problem.  You can get at the micro switch lever through the throttle
slot, and at the pin by 
dropping the two screws that hold the firewall/fuse relay plate and sliding
it forward.  Yes, this is a 
real bummer; I got it when I replaced the forward/reverse micro switch 
(that
wasn't bad...).

Larry Elie


-----Original Message-----
From: Chapin, Tim [mailto:tchapin umich edu]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:39 AM
To: elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu
Subject: RE: (ET) New failure mode...


Sense this was brought up...  I have a weird problem with my e12m while
under load.  While moving my ski boat around with it this spring (build a
front hitch for the e12m and man is that slick), I would be backing up and
move the lever from reverse to natural, I would get the e12m jumping from
reverse to forward and back a couple of times before settling down in
natural.  It make for a very nervous driver as you are trying to position
something fairly big in a small place.  It has only happened 3 times but 
all
three times it was while moving a fairly heavy item and the tractor was
going from reverse to natural.  I have never had it happen while mowing or
moving around the yard on it's own.
Any ideas.

-----Original Message-----
From: SteveS [mailto:ssawtelle fcc net] 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:25 AM
To: elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu
Subject: Re: (ET) New failure mode...

I had a somewhat similiar problem (E12S) - reverse ok, forward 
intermittent.
In my case the the reverse relay contacts had welded. One reverse contact
welded the common and wouldn't let it touch the forward contact.  Well
actually it finally did and blew off the end of the relay.....

Is this the problem I've heard that arises from not stopping completely
going from forward to reverse?

Did someone find a better protected version of this relay - I don't like
those contacts out in the open.

- SteveS
E12Ss
E20 (which I got running this weekend!)




----- Original Message -----
From: "Elie, Larry (L.D.)" <lelie ford com>
To: "Elec-trak list" <>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: (ET) New failure mode...


> Well, it's new to me, and even Bill hadn't seen it...
>
> My E12 was working fine until last fall, suddenly I couldn't go forward
> sometimes.  Move the control a few
> times and it would take right off.  Hmm...  I checked the manual, then 
> the
> forward contactors.  They were
> fine.  I replaced the reverse micro-switch.  Slowly the problem got 
> worse,
> until it only went forward about
> 10% of the time.  I finally called Bill Saturday.  He said I must either
> have a bad contactor or a bad reverse
> switch as the speed control runs the same circuitry forward and reverse,
and
> reverse was fine.  I agreed that
> this is what it looked like, but I'd already tried everything.  I could
see
> the control closing all the
> micro-switches.  Foreword just wouldn't work....  Then, while engaged
> 'forward' I pushed the start (first) micro switch with a small blade
> screwdriver, the motor started instantly.  What had happened is the
circular
>
> plastic speed control spirals that close each micro-switch had worn more
> from forward than reverse, the start
> switch was not closing most of the time; the switch moved but not enough.
A
> simple bend of the bracket with
> pliers of perhaps .050" was PLENTY and the control works fine now.  I
called
> Bill back with the tip, and I'm
> letting everyone here know too as this was NOT an electrical problem; 
> just
> mechanical wear.  Since the
> E12/14/15 use the same sort of plastic controls, and all our tractors
> probably have about the same amount of
> wear, I'm expecting others to begin to see this behavior eventually.
>
> Larry Elie
>
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