AustinIf this is a rare (few times a year) deal, then maybe organizing outside time is excessive and too difficult. However, if it's happening at least once a month, then I stand by my above comments.I have a couple questions: How frequently would these tours come through?In my opinion, our tower time is limited, so the 2 hrs on Saturday should be for improving the band, and the ringing on Sunday a performance for service-goers. I'm assuming that the primary function of these tours would be to raise money for the church (if I'm wrong about this, then I probably have more questions). While I realize the church is doing us a favor by allowing us to ring in their tower, we currently repay this by having a band that can ring their bells to the best of our ability. Would it be disrespectful to ask the church to provide extra hours for these special tours? Then maybe the church could negotiate a handling-lesson rate with the teachers providing this extra service instead of trying to set a price that would make the band happy.Secondly, Ed is right in that we should decide what our 'tours' will consist of. People seem to be suggesting demonstration, handling lessons, and a trip to the top of the tower. However, as a ringing friend pointed out to me, we could only let people chime the bells and call that 'ringing'. Maybe we wouldn't charge as much, but this would also take away a lot of the hassle in terms of safety, liability, amount of time, and making sure enough trained teachers are present. We'd be able to accommodate larger groups as well. Just something to think about. For whatever reason, I feel less strongly motivated to bend over backwards to woo paying tour-goers than I do to our friends, visitors, and potential new recruits that visit the tower.On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:44 AM, <lauradi rcn com> wrote:I have been wondering about liability insurance ever since they started the Behind the Scenes tours. Some of those people are literally crawling up the wonky stairs. I have no idea whether the church compensated the woman who hurt her wrist by falling off the bench after she decided she needed to take a picture out of the side window, but they are planning to get benches that are more stable (environmental control, rather than presuming one can trust a stranger's behavior). High-end people might expect to be offered more risks, which is why I made up the leaning out of the steeple window scenario, but I didn't stop to think about the "don't tell me what to do - I paid you" attitude.
LauraFrom: "James Whiting" <jkwhiting gmail com>
To: "Joshua Burson" <joshburson09 gmail com>
Cc: "Andrew Tyler via Boston-change-ringers" <boston-change-ringers@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu >
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 9:28:20 AM
Subject: Re: Inquiry about bellringing lessons for high end tour promoter
We should also think about liability insurance for this. Having a
random group of high-end tourists (who probably have expensive
lawyers) walk up the tower and start ringing is very different from
bringing friends for free. We will have no way of pre-screening people
for how well they follow directions or what their physical condition
is. And people who pay large amounts of money to do something don't
like being told that they can't do it because they aren't behaving.
James
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Joshua Burson <joshburson09 gmail com> wrote:
> Oh, and: do we need to get permission from Old North for this whole shpiel?
> Or has that been handled already?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ed Futcher via Boston-change-ringers
> <boston-change-ringers@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu > wrote:
>
> Suggest we decide on a minimum and maximum number of participants as well as
> what the experience would entail.
> Ed
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "lauradi rcn com" <lauradi rcn com>
> To: Richard Morse <pukku mac com>
> Cc: Boston Change Ringers <boston-change-ringers@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu >
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Inquiry about bellringing lessons for high end tour
> promoter
>
>
> How about $400 or so? Enough to compensate every ringer who comes to
> practice at a wedding kind of rate (25) and an extra 25 each for several
> instructors. We should probably give each of the tourists a one-per-learner
> as a souvenir, but those only cost a couple of bucks apiece.
>
> Laura Dickerson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Morse <pukku mac com>
> To: Boston Change Ringers <boston-change-ringers@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu >
> Sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 07:41:33 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Fwd: Inquiry about bellringing lessons for high end tour promoter
>
> Hi! I got this message from Old North. I’ve said that we’re broadly
> interested, but the details are going to be tricky. What kinds of questions
> should I ask to figure out said details? And any ideas or suggestions for a
> price?
>
> Ricky
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: Steve Ayres <vicar oldnorth com>
> > Subject: Inquiry about bellringing lessons for high end tour promoter
> > Date: November 7, 2016 at 11:18:42 AM EST
> > To: Richard Morse <pukku mac com>
> >
> > Ricky,
> >
> > We are working with excursionist.com <http://excursionist.com/> to
> put together a high end tour package for small groups. They are interested
> in the possibility of bell ringing lessons as part of some of those tours.
> We would only offer them at the beginning or end of your regularly scheduled
> playing, i.e. Saturdays or Sundays.
> >
> > Would you be willing to offer a half hour lesson? If so, what would
> you want to charge? These folks are high end, so don't be bashful in
> setting a price.
> >
> > Steve
>
> >
>
>
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