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Re: [tg] terminology question

as a mostly-irrelevant but possibly amusing datapoint, i tried calling
"phantom swing thru" from justin's formation at today's C1 dance, and
the C1 squares did it without hesitation

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 05:46:45PM -0400, Justin Kopinsky via tg wrote:
> > "Phantom diamonds" already means "the two diamonds in the center work
> together, and the ones on the ends work together"
> 
> I think that's exactly what it means here too! There just happen not to 
> be
> any diamonds on the ends and dancers happen not to agree on what the
> diamonds in the middle look like, but everyone has a pair of phantom
> diamonds to work in.
> 
> Do those objecting to this usage also object to the swing thru example I
> gave? I still pretty strongly believe these are the same application of 
> one
> extant, well-defined concept.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2024, 5:36 PM Andy Latto via tg <tg cosmos phy tufts edu>
> wrote:
> 
> > "Phantom diamonds" already means "the two diamonds in the center work
> > together, and the ones on the ends work together", in the family with 
> > split
> > phantom diamonds and interlocked phantom diamonds.
> >
> >
> > "Phantom twin diamonds" also already has a meaning. If you start from a
> > 4x4 matrix, and call "split phantom waves, half a split circulate", you
> > have a formation of 4 diamonds arranged in a square. From this 
> > formation,
> > you might want to group the diamonds into two pairs, to do a call like 
> > 6-2
> > acey deucey, and you can do that in two different ways. I've heard this
> > called "phantom twin diamonds" and "phantom point-to-point diamonds": I
> > can't remember whether the word "split" was used before phantom.
> >
> > That's why I think adding the word "overlapped" when there are two
> > formations 90 degrees off from each other seems better to me than
> > overloading "phantom" even more. And I think the only thing 
> > "overlapped" is
> > currently used for is exactly this, though applied to 4-person 
> > formations
> > instead of 8 person formations.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 5:02 PM Luke Sciarappa via tg <
> > tg cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >
> >> If we're going for not-already-existing and descriptive terminology, I
> >> think perpendicular (or orthogonal) isn't bad.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 4:41 PM Mary Leland <mdpl alum mit edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I take it no one liked my idea of “perpendicular” so I thought I’d
> >>> defend it a bit: it’s descriptive of the two formations being 
> >>> rotated 90
> >>> degrees from each other and it doesn’t make us rack our brains about 
> >>> which
> >>> application of “phantom” is analogous.
> >>>
> >>> That being said, I’d also be happy with resurrecting “dunlap” if it’s
> >>> carefully defined to cover this case and the known historical uses.
> >>>
> >>> Mary
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Luke Sciarappa via tg <
> >>> tg cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> >  Do you want us to use an older historical name, or would you 
> >>> > prefer
> >>> something more descriptive?
> >>> I'm strongly pro-descriptive, if we can reach a semblance of 
> >>> consensus
> >>> about what is adequately descriptive.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 2:36 PM Sue Curtis via tg <
> >>> tg cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have a vague memory of this also, and I think it was spelled 
> >>>> Dunlap.
> >>>> A broader question for others is this:  Do you want us to use an 
> >>>> older
> >>>> historical name, or would you prefer something more descriptive?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sue
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 2:15 PM Judy Anderson via tg <
> >>>> tg cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I am TOTALLY thinking of Dunlop.  Thank you.  So then the question 
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> what is the actual definition of Dunlop, and is it spelled Dunlap, 
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> could it apply?
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