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Re: (ET) New here, E15 and E12



That is really good data David.

Nickel Cadmium has been a pretty darn good technology in my E20 for the past 20 or so years. They have some weight (although are lighter than T105's), and with a string of three I have a 90ah capacity (original batteries are 225ah, but really more like 140 under load). The original stupid charger works well enough for them and I get about 70ah usable before the pack shuts down.

One advantage is you get *full* power right up to when the pack is near dead discharge. Then it drops like a rock. Another nice feature is cold does not affect them, so I can dig the tractor out of snow, fire up the blower, and plow up a 30 degree driveway with no issues.

The only time I had a pack fail was a 30 cell pack in the E15 that I charged with the stock charger with a different trim capacitor to raise the final voltage: It would properly "top off" the cells but when the timer failed one weekend the batteries overcharged and every one had a melting event where the plates melted the case. Sad, and a mess.

That said I wouldn't recommend them in the future. Used Nissan Leaf packs are probably a much better idea now that batteries, chargers, and BMS systems are easy to get.

And in terms of damage: I put them right into my E20, not sure if I used a liner but they do not seem to damage steel. They *will* eat through aluminum and you can't use copper terminals near them. Nickel or tin plate your copper connections with solder.

Then again I might have just had so much acid damage from the lead batteries that all the KOH is just neutralizing that in the steel :-) Regardless no further rust to speak of.


On 9/25/2021 12:01 AM, David Tiefenbrunn wrote:
On 9/24/2021 2:13 PM, joeaverage frontiernet net wrote:

Perhaps the next time I need batteries - I can consider used EV lithium batteries. I'm not against continuing to use lead-acid. Emoji

This weekend I'll do as you detailed and charge them individually and then test with the hydrometer.

Chris


Definitely do the math when the time comes.   I converted mine to lithium last winter.  I got barely used lithium ion batteries from batteryhookup.  They are batteries used in BMW i3 cars.  They had modules that are 5 cells in series, so 2 of these works great for the ET.   You need a Battery Management System to use these safely. You need a different charger.  It has to shut off when the batteries are near full charge.  trickle / float is not good for LION.  You have to also decide how to power the winch and the lights, since tapping a lithium pack like they originally did is a big no-no.

Once I got the thing working, I got a second set of the same cells, and paralleled the for more AH.  I have about 2200 watt hours of electricity in my batteries.

As far as how it runs, it's almost like it's plugged into unlimited power.  The voltage only drops from 40V to 36 near the end of a discharge.  (I have the BMS set to cut out before going low enough to really stress the cells, same on the top, as this extends the life.) Even when nearing the low point, I can be running in 4th gear flat out, switch on the mower, and feel no glitch from the inrush surge drawing down the batteries, not even a flicker in the lights.  This was even when I was running only one pair of these batteries.

If you ever put a set of brand new fully charged set of LA in an ET, and go out mowing, etc, you notice how it runs...  And then gradually slows down until they are depleted.  With the LION, it's like that first 15 minutes the entire time.  [unless you set the BMS too low, and get them near zero]

I did have to add some dead weight in the back battery box, since they are so much lighter and smaller than the lead acid.

LION vs LA -

much higher cycle life.  Also, shallower cycles greatly increases cycle life. - The main reason [along with run time]  I decided to double up. Deeper cycles - in that with LA, you really can only get about half the AH out of a LA at the currents drawn by mowing.

LA any state other than fully charged accelerates their demise.  As long as LION are not over discharged, it doesn't matter much.

No acid eating away the steel.  And the concrete floor!

I also have pictures of a lot of this.

Dave




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