Re: (ET) Elec-trak Digest, Vol 4, Issue 271

[ThompsonG DFO-MPO GC CA]

Thanks Jerry

Answers

On the Swapfest/Get together

        I have letters to GE an several Battery shop about support...I have
a farm to use for a weekend the last of May 2007 with place for camping,
water, power, portajons, food for about 30 people ( BBQ beef/pork,
potatosalade, beans, etc.) an a good time...costs..about 
FREE...hotel/motels
about 20 to 30 min away..WHERE you ask?...PAULDIN OH 45879 about 4 to 10
hours from everybody..but centrally located to most people on the list (
that I know where you are)..SO

    1.    Would you come and enjoy a Get together?
Yes , 6 hour dive I can go, I would be will to share the drive and some
trailer space, I can travel either the Canadian route HWY 401 to Sarnia the
I-75 or US Route I-90 Past Erie. If Folks want to convoy or car pool

    2.    Would you bring you ET to show?
Yes all things being equal.

    3.    Would you bring items to sell/swap/trade?
Yes. Most likely parts manuals and service Manuals.

    4.    Would you have stroies to share with other?
Tons and tons

    5.    Would you have info (how to) to share?
Don't understand the question, But will say yes anyway

    6.    Just Would you...???

Yup

    Out of 9 replies to the 1st time we spoke of a get together I have 6-7
that said yes or maybe..WHAT do you thing??


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<>   1.  E20s..Get Together (Jerry Rhodes)
<>   2. Re:  E20s..Get Together (Michael S Briggs)
<>   3. Re:  e-15 Noise in power drive unit (David C Robie)
<>   4. Re:  e-15 Noise in power drive unit (David C Robie)
<>   5.  POR 15 & topcoat (MakingLightning)
<>   6.  Road Trip (Jerry Rhodes)
<>   7. Re:  Loss of power on incline (David C Robie)
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<>Message: 1
<>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:08:20 -0400
<>From: "Jerry Rhodes" <jerry38 alltel net>
<>Subject: (ET) E20s..Get Together
<>To: "Elec-trak Mail List" <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
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<>Hi all, see the website is now PW'ed so it dose not like my PW so will 
not
be useing
<>the site again, never was able to do any thing on that site..photos, 
reply
to
<>mail..etc..hardies site I have every tryed to use...enough said....
<>
<>Mike Hows the E15 doing? runing?
<>
<>I got the E20s control relay boards rewired and tested, both worked OK,
ready to
<>reassy  but think I will paint everything 1st ( Navy Blue/Gold for all 
the
yrs in the
<>Navy and the other Red/Gray for Ohio (OSU) she'll be the puller)..the EGT
120 is
<>running still got a ground to the frame need to work on...the E12 is
running good,
<>needs a paint job(Brown with woodgrain) ...the E14 is in pieces for a max
mod the
<>rear steer an front drive with forklift assy...
<>
<>On the Swapfest/Get together
<>
<>        I have letters to GE an several Battery shop about support...I
have a farm to
<>use for a weekend the last of May 2007 with place for camping, water,
power,
<>portajons, food for about 30 people ( BBQ beef/pork, potatosalade, beans,
etc.) an
<>a good time...costs..about FREE...hotel/motels about 20 to 30 min
away..WHERE
<>you ask?...PAULDIN OH 45879 about 4 to 10 hours from everybody..but
centrally
<>located to most people on the list ( that I know where you are)..SO
<>
<>    1.    Would you come and enjoy a Get together?
<>
<>    2.    Would you bring you ET to show?
<>
<>    3.    Would you bring items to sell/swap/trade?
<>
<>    4.    Would you have stroies to share with other?
<>
<>    5.    Would you have info (how to) to share?
<>
<>    6.    Just Would you...???
<>
<>    Out of 9 replies to the 1st time we spoke of a get together I have 
6-7
that said
<>yes or maybe..WHAT do you thing??
<>
<>Jerry NW Ohio
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<>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:24:54 -0400 (EDT)
<>From: Michael S Briggs <msbriggs alberti unh edu>
<>Subject: Re: (ET) E20s..Get Together
<>To: Jerry Rhodes <jerry38 alltel net>
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<>On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Jerry Rhodes wrote:
<>
<>> Mike Hows the E15 doing? runing?
<>>
<>
<>Running great! This Sunday was the first time I was able to mow the 
entire
<>yard without anything going wrong. :) (first time I used it, had the
<>problem with one blade not cutting - of course turned out to be due to me
<>wiring one of the motors backwards. Second week, reverse relay welded
<>shut, then took out the main fuse, and the fuse block (then put in a new
<>relay, connecting the power connections wrong (didn't see the label
<>hidden under the base), which took out a trace on card 1. Third week I
<>temporarily rewired things so I could mow in forward -worked fine, except
<>for one of the bolts holding the rear rollers on coming loose (didn't use
<>lock washers, d'oh), and me running over the roller bar, bending the 
other
<>mount nicely. Pounded it straight and finished). Everything is fixed now
<>(except the Landis controller I fried, again due to being careless -
<>bypassed it for now), and working fine! :-D
<>
<>Mike
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<>Message: 3
<>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:38:13 -0400
<>From: David C Robie <mycroftxx1 juno com>
<>Subject: Re: (ET) e-15 Noise in power drive unit
<>To: matty tds net
<>Cc: elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu
<>Message-ID: <20060816 171100 -165685 0 mycroftxx1 juno com>
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<>That 'long enough to leak cracked me up. Laugh out loud in the middle of
<>the night.  Thanks.  I've worked 2 of em real hard with snow chains and
<>outside of the brake which I think is only there for show, and a little
<>noise that'sgotta be expected at the 35 year point, they are a pretty
<>decent tranny.   Perhaps gas engines belt em harder that we do?
<>
<>Dave
<>Weymouth MA
<>
<>
<>On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:24:38 -0500 matt <matty tds net> writes:
<>> At 08:37 AM 8/15/06 -0700, you wrote:
<>> A lot of other tractors use the peerless 2300. Many run them flat.
<>> Some run
<>> them standing up. There is 3 I seen that run them on a slant.
<>> The best addvice I can give is to have the amount it calls for and
<>> just add
<>> it.
<>> Once a year change it. If theres a leak fix it. May biggest problem
<>> was
<>> keepping then together long enuff for them to leak.
<>> May .05 worth.
<>> Matthew P. Magda Jr.
<>>
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<>Message: 4
<>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:41:49 -0400
<>From: David C Robie <mycroftxx1 juno com>
<>Subject: Re: (ET) e-15 Noise in power drive unit
<>To: rjkanary nauticom net
<>Cc: elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu
<>Message-ID: <20060816 171100 -165685 1 mycroftxx1 juno com>
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<>Help the guys who are doin pulling with em anyway. YAH I got a yard that
<>tilts a bit and lose a single wheel traction backing up too.
<>
<>Dave
<>Weymouth MA
<>
<>
<>On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:38:57 -0400 "RJ Kanary" <rjkanary nauticom net>
<>writes:
<>>          Now, if only one could find a source for the DuoTrak®
<>> limited slip
<>> differential that is also found in other 2300 series Peerless®
<>> transaxles....then we could have some fun.
<>>
<>> ----- Original Message -----
<>> From: "David C Robie" <mycroftxx1 juno com>
<>> To: <kelfy yahoo com>
<>> Cc: <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
<>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:44 AM
<>> Subject: Re: (ET) e-15 Noise in power drive unit
<>>
<>>
<>> > Kee- rect.  When a company makes ten thousand castings the wrong
<>> way,
<>> > they are not gonna melt em down and recast them. A 'whoops' note
<>> to the
<>> > dealers after the problem surfaces is cheaper.
<>> >   Rather than lift the tractor to fill and drain,  I use a home
<>> made
<>> > vacuum extractor to drain it,  and fill by gravity with a funnel
<>> and
<>> > tight fitting rubber tube suspended high from the seat.  Of course
<>> to
<>> > remove the tubeand quickly put the plug back in  my hand get a bit
<>> oily
<>> > .......    Incidentally; a bit of Lucas in there too seems to help
<>> the
<>> > more or less inherent lower gear noise level.  The GE dealer
<>> service
<>> > notes released after production say 'jack it up.  Likely the
<>> reason that
<>> > most of these trannys are noisy in the 'most often used' gears,
<>> > insufficient and later on, water contaminated lube from the very
<>> > beginning.
<>> >     The front of the tractor in other (gas) brands that used it
<>> may have
<>> > been lower.  Incidentally, these trannys can have a mechanical
<>> reverse
<>> > installed in em. Get the manual, order the parts, install em.
<>> But with
<>> > out electrics we don't need those parts, have instant reverse
<>> > electrically.
<>> >
<>> > Dave
<>> > Weymouth MA
<>> >
<>> > On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Kelly Williams
<>> <kelfy yahoo com>
<>> > writes:
<>> >>
<>> >> --- David C Robie <mycroftxx1 juno com> wrote:
<>> >>
<>> >> > Drain completely refill with 85 weight
<>> >> > tranny-hypoid oil.
<>> >> > Overfill it cause the original fill plug ws put in
<>> >> > there too low.
<>> >>
<>> >> I've read a little about this in the archives, and am
<>> >> still a bit confused.  Did they really design the
<>> >> transmission housing so that when the service
<>> >> instructions say to fill to the plug, there's not
<>> >> enough oil in it?  Do you have to hoist the front of
<>> >> the tractor to drain it, then hoist the rear way up
<>> >> high to fill it?  That downward-pointing fill hole
<>> >> seems pretty unhandy.
<>> >>
<>> >> Kelly Williams
<>> >> Mount Joy, PA
<>> >>
<>> >> __________________________________________________
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<>> >> http://mail.yahoo.com
<>> >>
<>> >
<>> >
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<>Message: 5
<>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:06:01 -0400
<>From: "MakingLightning" <MakingLightning comcast net>
<>Subject: (ET) POR 15 & topcoat
<>To: <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
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<>I have heard many people praise POR 15 for the chute of the snow thrower.
<>
<>Should I use the black coat top coat also?
<>
<>I am not so concerned with rust prevention, my snow thrower is already
<>painted. My mail goal is to make the chute slippery.
<>
<>
<>Kevin
<>
<>
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<>Message: 6
<>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:13:15 -0400
<>From: "Jerry Rhodes" <jerry38 alltel net>
<>Subject: (ET) Road Trip
<>To: "Elec-trak Mail List" <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
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<>Hi all will be taking a trip to Fla this weekend, going down I-75 Sat/Sun
<>anyone need something brought backup from the south to NW Ohio..or
anything
<>your getting rid of that I can talk you out of I can stop by an do coffee
on
<>Tuesday/Wed..road # 419-203-6458 or email..thanks
<>
<>Jerry NW Ohio
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<>Message: 7
<>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:16:56 -0400
<>From: David C Robie <mycroftxx1 juno com>
<>Subject: Re: (ET) Loss of power on incline
<>To: asabatelli adelphia net
<>Cc: elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu
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<>When you mentioned the plate at front getting hot that was the clue that
<>counted.   It show that there is an armature dropping resistor, part of
<>the speed control in start first and second still in the circuit when it
<>shouldn't be.
<>
<>1)   There are two huge armature dropping resistors on that top plate.
<>They are sequenced through the speed lever
<>       thusly;  none shorted out by contactors (1st position starting)
<>one shorted by it's contactor,  the second
<>       shorted by it's contactor.   These are contactors 1A and 2A.
<>
<>2)   Your trouble is that one of those resistors is not getting shorted
<>out.
<>
<>
<>3)   Put the tranny in neutral (and as a safety measure jack up one rear
<>wheel also) Satisfy the seat safety, brake off.
<>       now start the tractor, listening for the heavy click of 1A then
<>2A..   If both of them click, you have just proved out
<>       the microswitches at the controller's cam that turn them on.
<>Trouble is NOT at the controller assy.
<>       When each one clicks, the motor should gain a bit of speed.
<>              If  one doesn't click,  trouble is either it's coil burned
<>out, or the controller's cam switch going to that
<>       coil is not closing.  (there's a long line of microswitches in
<>line, 1A and 2A are the second and third in line) .
<>              If both click,  go to (4).   (note that in the above test
<>you never get into field speeds just armature)
<>
<>4)   With the kick panel off, 1A and 2A are on most tractors at the top.
<>See if their 'heavy wire' terminals are rusted
<>       or need tightening.  Be careful tightening em, squirt with your
<>favorite rust breaker before doing it.  If those
<>       contactors have plastic shells they may break easily.  Retest,
<>listening for the slight rise in motor RPM.
<>       If it don't rise through both !a and 2A clicks - - - you will have
<>to put it in the 2A click position with motor running
<>       and measure voltage across the big terminals, which should be none
<>on either when they are both closed.
<>
<>5)   At this point you have 2 possibilities.  A bad or burned connection
<>at the front resistor terminal which goes to
<>       the 'clicking but not changine RPM' relay,  or a bad contactor
<>itself.
<>       Shut off tractor and also the battery disconnect switch.   Remove
<>the single screw at the top of that
<>       'battery charger plate) and visually inspect the 3 big terminls.
<>Squirt and tighten all 3 of those.  If
<>        you find one burned looking, take it apart and clean it. put
<>together, tighten.
<>
<>6)   If you come up with 'bad contactor' - temporarily you can get the
<>tractor running again by shorting the 2 big terminals
<>       together while waiting for the new part (Harry has 'em).  Tractor
<>will be a bit jerky, going direct from one armature
<>       (rather than 3) to  'field speeds' but it won't hurt anything if
<>you don't use it much.
<>
<>I have dealt with several of these.  Only one was a burned out contactor
<>coil.  Incidentally, on some tractors, one of those resistance elements
<>opening up (by burning up at it's terminal usually) will cause a
<>mysterious 'no power at all'  symptom that defies std troubleshooting
<>technique. Reason;  On some,  contactor coil voltage has to go through
<>those resistors first.  If a nichrome element burns open , it can be
<>welded using stainless steel. Usually just a good take apart and clean up
<>(sometimes a new brass washer too) will fix em,
<>
<>While on the subject;  With good microswitches in the controller and no
<>mechanical looseness in it, and all good parts, speed switching, ramping
<>up or down through the speeds is just as smooth as an electronic.  With
<>either of these problems it will be herky jerky. Anyone, write me if you
<>have this jerky speed switching problem, got a couple fixes for it.
<>
<>Happy etrackin
<>
<>Dave
<>Weymouth MA
<>
<>
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<>On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:33:17 -0400 Arnold Sabatelli
<><asabatelli adelphia net> writes:
<>> David,
<>>
<>> My E16 is still not happy going uphill.  I've replaced both belts
<>> with a
<>> matched set of good belts (as per recommendations).  If I'm mowing
<>> in L or
<>> D1, and I'm on the level or going downhill, the gears/tractor seems
<>> to
<>> operate fine, the minute there's even the slightest incline, the
<>> tractor
<>> slows down considerably, and on slightly steep terrain will come to
<>> a stop.
<>> If I pull the throttle back to neutral, then push it back up, it
<>> will
<>> reengage and go for a ways before slowing/stopping again.  LL will
<>> at least
<>> get me up the hills, albeit slowly.  In pretty basic layman's terms
<>> could
<>> someone give me a plan of action for trouble shooting this issue.
<>> I've
<>> noticed that the vertical part of the metal mesh/charging plate is
<>> quite hot
<>> when I stop.  I've checked connections on the side of the motor, as
<>> was
<>> suggested by another etracker, thinking I might have knocked
<>> something loose
<>> when tightening belts, and I found nothing.  I'm also told to "check
<>> the
<>> relays for a weakening of field,' but I don't really understand what
<>> that
<>> means, nor how to do it.  As I've mentioned to you before, I'm a
<>> real newbie
<>> to these things.  I'm just about ready to throw in the towel, but
<>> thought
<>> I'd see if I can at least get it running right before I do that.
<>> Any
<>> advice/assistance greatly appreciated.
<>>
<>> (By the way, I did finally receive several large folders of wiring
<>> diagrams,
<>> manuals and repair manuals.  I think you mentioned you needed
<>> something, if
<>> I had it.  Remind me what it was you were looking for, and I can
<>> copy/send
<>> if I've got it.)
<>>
<>> --
<>> Arnie Sabatelli
<>> 203.393.9679
<>>
<>>
<>>
<>>
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