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Re: (ET) new relay in - now no reverse



 - or smoke of a different type -  The issue of blood from all electronic
-electrical
Dave
Weymouth MA

On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:24:40 -0400 "RJ Kanary" <rjkanary nauticom net>
writes:
>            Because high resistance in a circuit , coupled with a high 
> 
> impedance sand based meter will 'tell' you that voltage is 
> there........but 
> not enough current flow to do any work. Not until a load is present 
> will you 
> see what's really up.
>           If you are working on more delicate things, such as 
> computers, a 
> high impedance tool is a must.
>           Draw too much current from a circuit, the minimal trouble 
> you'll 
> have is a low reading that is in error, since the meter is sinking 
> more 
> power that the device can source. The maximum grief you can have is 
> letting 
> the smoke out of some very important pieces.  <VBF>
>        Don't get me wrong. A Fluke 87® sits right next to my Simpson 
> 260® on 
> the tool cart. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. The trick 
> is 
> learning how to use this knowledge to best arm you for the battle at 
> hand.
>       And yes, the voltages that you are observing should be within 
> 5 or 10% 
> of what system voltage is.
>        Here's hoping that the odor of Ersin® Multicore solder is NOT 
> filling 
> your nostrils this afternoon.    :)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael S Briggs" <msbriggs alberti unh edu>
> To: "RJ Kanary" <rjkanary nauticom net>
> Cc: <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: (ET) new relay in - now no reverse
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > RJ,
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, RJ Kanary wrote:
> >
> >>       Prove out all the voltages that SHOULD be present with an 
> ANALOG 
> >> VOM.High impedance sand based DMMs will lie to you especially at 
> these 
> >> voltages.
> >
> > I don't see why a DMM should be inaccurate on voltage. Don't you 
> *want* a 
> > voltmeter to have high (very very high) impedance? Otherwise when 
> you 
> > connect it in parallel with some circuit element, the combined 
> parallel 
> > resistance of the voltmeter and the element you're measuring 
> voltage 
> > across can drop some, so the voltage you would read wouldn't be 
> the 
> > voltage it normally sees. So, I don't see why you would want a 
> lower 
> > impedance on your meter.
> >
> >>     Verify that voltage AND current is available at Pad 8 {Wire 
> 41} of 
> >> Card 1 when Reverse is selected. If this proves out move to Pad 
> 9, {Wire
> >
> > Alrighty. I'm assuming it should have the full 36V (or 38V, or 
> whatever 
> > the pack is putting out) at those points.
> >
> >> 38}. If voltage and current is present here, now you can suspect 
> a wiring 
> >> error at the other relay terminals.If voltage and current is NOT 
> present 
> >> here, you are about to embark on one of the finer adventures of 
> owning 
> >> and repairing an AA model E-15, repairing Card 1.  :(
> >
> > D'oh. I'll check it in an hour or two - need to finish making some 
> 
> > biodiesel for our cars and furnace first. Given that I thought I 
> heard a 
> > "pop" noise when I first put it in reverse after putting in the 
> new relay, 
> > I'm unfortunately thinking it's not going to be a simple wiring 
> issue. 
> > :( But, if it's just a case of a  blown resistor or cap on card 1, 
> that 
> > shouldn't be too bad - I've done a fair amount of electronics work 
> in the 
> > past. Well, it shouldn't be bad if it's obvious which element 
> blew. :) 
> > Chasing down a bad circuit element can be a pain in the tuckus.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S Briggs" 
> >> <msbriggs alberti unh edu>
> >> To: <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> >> Subject: (ET) new relay in - now no reverse
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> So I finally had time to put in a new relay in place of the 
> blown
> >>> forward/reverse relay. Forward works fine now - even took it out 
> for a
> >>> spin around the neighborhood. When I then went to back it into 
> the 
> >>> garage,
> >>> I discovered that when I try to go in reverse, it goes forward. 
> D'oh!
> >>>         My first thought was that I had hooked up the 
> forward/reverse
> >>> relay wrong. I checked, and nope, it's fine. The problem is that 
> the 
> >>> relay
> >>> isn't firing when I move the switch to the reverse-neutral side. 
> I hear
> >>> the reverse microswitch click, but the relay doesn't move. 
> Checked the
> >>> power connections on the relay, and it doesn't seem to be 
> getting any
> >>> power when I move the speed lever to reverse.
> >>>  Now, I suppose I could have just knocked something loose while
> >>> fiddling with everything in there, but I'm wondering if there 
> could be
> >>> some greater problem going on that I'm overlooking (considering 
> all the
> >>> failures that I've had - while mowing last week, it stopped 
> running - 
> >>> the
> >>> control fuse had blown, and took out the fuse block in the 
> process.
> >>> Put in an inline fuseholder in place of the fuse block, with a 
> fresh 
> >>> fuse,
> >>> and found that I couldn't go forward due to a blown 
> forward/reverse 
> >>> relay.
> >>> Put in a new relay, and now the relay isn't getting voltage to 
> fire. It
> >>> seems like each time I fix one thing, something else breaks).
> >>>  After putting in the new relay, the first time I moved the 
> speed
> >>> control lever to reverse, I thought I heard the sound of 
> something 
> >>> blowing
> >>> - wasn't sure though if it was just the reverse microswitch 
> clicking, or
> >>> if something did in fact blow. It looks like control of the 
> reverse 
> >>> relay
> >>> goes through card#1 somewhere (still need to look over the 
> schematics to
> >>> figure out which "port(s)" on card 1, so I can see if something 
> is just
> >>> loose, or if something did in fact blow). I should be able to 
> >>> troubleshoot
> >>> it ok, but what I'm concerned about is if there might be some 
> greater
> >>> problem underlying these little annoying problems. There have 
> just been
> >>> too many failures one after another for it to just be a 
> coincidence, I
> >>> think.
> >>>  Actually - if I had wired the power connections to the reverse
> >>> relay backwards, what would that do? From looking at the relay, 
> I assume
> >>> it just uses a current through a solenoid to control a switch. 
> If the
> >>> current goes the wrong way, the B field would point in the 
> opposite
> >>> direction - but since I'm not sure exactly how it controls the 
> switch, 
> >>> I'm
> >>> not sure if that would be a problem or not, or if it could blow 
> >>> something.
> >>>  So, any tips anyone can offer (again) would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Michael S. Briggs
> >>> UNH Physics Department
> >>> (603) 862-2828
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
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