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Re: (ET) volts



At 01:12 AM 4/15/06 -0400, Christopher Zach wrote:
Um, applying a higher voltage to a PM motor doesn't weaken the field.
The motor speed will be approximately proportional to the applied voltage. No overspeed. As you said the field strength does not change (IE it's not weakened)

What I meant was that by increasing armature voltage you're changing the relationship of armature strength (now 125%) without changing field strength (because it's a magnet). Thus the motor will behave in the way that the shunt motors work when you reduce the field strength (ie: They spin faster, less torque, heat up more, and pull a lot more current under load). Not good things.

Spin faster - yes

heat up more, pull more current under load - possibly, it will depend on the load. It some cases it can be less because the extra torque on startup means you spend less time a peak torques. Unless you have a controller on it though peak currents will almost certainly be higher. It may not be enough to matter though.

less torque - No, torque will be the same or higher. Torque in a PM motor is essentially the product of the field (magnet) strength and the armature current. With higher voltage the current will go up, so will the torque. This assumes the armature is not saturating but that's not very likely.

You could also run into brush issues with the higher current and voltage.


Unless the motors are close to the edge I doubt increasing them to 48 V will give enough current to demagnetize them but the extra 30% tip speed might be dangerous. Also the extra load from the higher speed may cause the motors to warm up more quickly.

Both could be a problem; I would not like to see the blades rip apart. Worse yet when you hit a rock the blades would be spinning faster. Bad idea IMHO; get a 48 volt curtis motor controller and set the output for 75% or so.

I would do the same. A 1/3 increase in tip speed is nearly a doubling in energy. Not something to be cavalier about in a cutting instrument.

I'de be a little worried about the field in a shunt wound motor. You are going to get a lot more heating there (close to double).

Interesting. I wasn't sure that would cause a problem. Since they are technically compound motors this would be offset by the increase in field strength in forward speed, but would do really weird stuff in reverse.

Heat in the shunt in a shunt wound motor is V*V/R. Since the field resistance is a constant and you are increasing the voltage by a third the power loss to heat doubles. That's regardless of the compound windings. The same effect will be true on any field weakening resistors, they will now need to dissipate twice the power.

The other item that could well have an effect here is that you may well push the field into saturation in which case the field will not strengthen linearly with the applied voltage and you may end up with a permanent field weakening situation. The resulting speed/torque is curve may not be a simple relationship.

Hm. Eh, I'd just get a 48-36 volt motor controller and be done with it. Why go 48 volts anyway?

Greater resistance to battery droop if you use a controller. More commonly available chargers maybe? With proper setup it should be possible to increase both the peak speed and peak torque. More complex control and slightly less total energy available though.

Robert

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