Stephen,
I think this is a great idea. Here some thoughts
on this subject (no hard data though):
Here is an amusing post from 1999 about an E20 doing a
full-pull at 1450# in garden-tractor pulling:
http://cosmos.phy.tufts.edu/mhonarc/elec-trak/msg00678.html
You have two consider two things. One, the E15 has a bit of
a smaller motor. Two, pulling a rolling weight is much easier
than a tractor pull sled that slides on the ground.
I quickly checked my "Commercial Applications Guide" for the
ETs. It has two pages devoted to how great the ETs are for
towing but it doesn't give any numbers. On the front page of
this guide it shows an E15 pulling a "train" of four large
industrial carts, two loaded with about 8' high heavy machines
one with pipes and the last with six oil barrels. They call
this an elec-trak "trackless train"
It says "at aitports, the system is ideal for baggage handling or
even spotting and moving aircraft in and out of hangars"
Electrictractor.com lists 8000# for their much smaller tractor
in pulling application. From looking at their motors etc. I am assuming
that an E15 can pull much more.
Braking is another issue to consider. But if you have
separate brakes in the trailors then I guess you'd be fine.
Just my two cents worth
Markus
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> Subject: (ET) How much can an E15 pull?
>
>
> Hello, I looking at buying an E15 for a local high school
> band to pull their
> equipment carts for band competitions. Is there any
> specifications on what
> the E15 can pull?
> Thanks
> Stephen
> Sprovost provtechs com
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> 1. Tiller information needed (Christopher Zach)
> 2. RE: Tiller information needed (Markus Lorch)
> 3. Re: Tiller information needed (Christopher Zach)
> 4. RE: Tiller information needed (Markus Lorch)
> 5. RE: Tiller information needed (Dave & Deb)
> 6. Re: Tiller information needed (Darryl McMahon)
> 7. RE: Tiller information needed (Elie, Larry (L.D.))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:04:26 -0500
> From: Christopher Zach <czach computer org>
> Subject: (ET) Tiller information needed
> To: Elec-trak list <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
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> Ok, so it looks like I will be driving up to PA this evening
> to pick up
> an Elec-Trak tiller and rear lift. Oh goodie. I also received a large
> shipment of POR15 rust paint to fix it up. Going to be a fun winter
> cleaning it all.
>
> Now for the big question: Does anyone with a tiller have any
> thoughts,
> tips, tricks or other advice? Is this thing bigger than the
> snowblower?
> Heavier? How do you use it? Do I need to put a rear PTO plug on my
> tractor? Can I leave the lift in all the time? Does it use the same
> controls as the front lift?
>
> Help
> Chris
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:26:32 -0500
> From: "Markus Lorch" <mlorch vt edu>
> Subject: RE: (ET) Tiller information needed
> To: "'Christopher Zach'" <czach computer org>,
> "'Elec-trak list'"
> <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
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> Chris:
>
> Here a couple of quick answers:
>
> >
> > Now for the big question: Does anyone with a tiller have any
> > thoughts,
> > tips, tricks or other advice? Is this thing bigger than the
> > snowblower?
> > Heavier?
> I don't have a snowblower and I'd guess its a bit smaller, but it's
> HEAVY ... two men have plenty to do loading it.
>
> > How do you use it? Do I need to put a rear PTO plug on my
> > tractor?
>
> Yes, my tractor is wired for a rear PTO with a andersen style
> connector - its in parallel with the front PTO so you cannot.
> Plus you need a small connector for the lift power (12/18V).
>
> > Can I leave the lift in all the time? Does it use the same
> > controls as the front lift?
>
> yes you can. It has separate controls - a switch mounted on top
> of it "up-off-down".
>
> I like to remove the rear lift. as it sticks out and I keep hitting
> things with it when I back up.
>
> You will also need the tiller bar which must be mounted to the rear
> axle. see http://markus.lorch.net/et/more-pics/082004-et-tiller-3.jpg
>
> Markus
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:39:17 -0500
> From: Christopher Zach <czach computer org>
> Subject: Re: (ET) Tiller information needed
> To: Markus Lorch <mlorch vt edu>
> Cc: 'Elec-trak list' <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
> Message-ID: <41950355 2000009 computer org>
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>
> > I don't have a snowblower and I'd guess its a bit smaller, but it's
> > HEAVY ... two men have plenty to do loading it.
>
> Oh great. Yaknow, I'm really going to need a second shed in my yard.
> Mainly to hold all this *STUFF* I keep installing on the tractor.
>
> > Yes, my tractor is wired for a rear PTO with a andersen style
> > connector - its in parallel with the front PTO so you cannot.
> > Plus you need a small connector for the lift power (12/18V).
>
> 18 volts is simple enough; I guess that just ties into the tractor.
>
> > yes you can. It has separate controls - a switch mounted on top
> > of it "up-off-down".
>
> So you have to reach back to lift/lower it. Is this a pain in
> practice?
>
> > You will also need the tiller bar which must be mounted to the rear
> > axle. see
> http://markus.lorch.net/et/more-pics/082004-et-tiller-3.jpg
>
> This apparently comes with that too. Thanks for posting the picture
> though, now it makes more sense as to how this all puts
> together. Do you
> leave that bar on forever, and does it interfere with the normal uses
> for the tractor?
>
> Chris
>
>
> >
> > Markus
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:56:35 -0500
> From: "Markus Lorch" <mlorch vt edu>
> Subject: RE: (ET) Tiller information needed
> To: "'Christopher Zach'" <czach computer org>
> Cc: 'Elec-trak list' <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
> Message-ID: <001e01c4c8e9$55bde520$f590ad80@Voyager>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
> > So you have to reach back to lift/lower it. Is this a pain in
> > practice?
>
> Nope, not for the few times I used it. Its not a bad design I think.
> You are constantly looking backwards anyhow when you have the tiller
> in operation. However, for my rear bucket I use a winch with a much
> larger switch which I can mount on top of one of the fenders, which
> is a bit more convenient.
>
> > This apparently comes with that too. Thanks for posting the picture
> > though, now it makes more sense as to how this all puts
> > together. Do you
> > leave that bar on forever, and does it interfere with the
> normal uses
> > for the tractor?
>
> Yeah, I like the bar. I think it looks pretty good. I call it
> my wheelie
> bar ... (I wish) ... maybe I should put a zilla controller in
> there to
> get the front end off the ground - LOL
>
> The is almost never a problem. I find it really useful, out of a few
> 2x4s and a sheet of plywood I made a simple deck that fits under the
> tractor and rests on the tiller bar. It was my first approximation of
> a bucket. It works great to move some dirt/flower boxes/mulch etc
> around the yard. I even used it to move a heavy dish-washer once.
>
> I also use the tiller bar to mount my rear bucket but I am planning
> to change that.
>
> Markus
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:42:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Dave & Deb" <daveb drizzle com>
> Subject: RE: (ET) Tiller information needed
> To: <mlorch vt edu>
> Cc: elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu
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>
> my e15 came with a tiller but I've yet to use it (have new
> lift motor to
> install) but the bar was mounted and never in the way.
>
> the fella I bought it from wired in a remote switch that just
> lays on the
> rear fender and unplugs when not in use.
> but like I said I've not used it yet... my winter time
> project (one of
> them) also!
> Dave
>
> >
> >
> >> So you have to reach back to lift/lower it. Is this a pain in
> >> practice?
> >
> > Nope, not for the few times I used it. Its not a bad design
> I think. You
> > are constantly looking backwards anyhow when you have the tiller in
> > operation. However, for my rear bucket I use a winch with a
> much larger
> > switch which I can mount on top of one of the fenders,
> which is a bit
> > more convenient.
> >
> >> This apparently comes with that too. Thanks for posting the picture
> >> though, now it makes more sense as to how this all puts
> >> together. Do you
> >> leave that bar on forever, and does it interfere with the
> normal uses
> >> for the tractor?
> >
> > Yeah, I like the bar. I think it looks pretty good. I call
> it my wheelie
> > bar ... (I wish) ... maybe I should put a zilla controller
> in there to
> > get the front end off the ground - LOL
> >
> > The is almost never a problem. I find it really useful, out of a few
> > 2x4s and a sheet of plywood I made a simple deck that fits under the
> > tractor and rests on the tiller bar. It was my first
> approximation of a
> > bucket. It works great to move some dirt/flower boxes/mulch etc
> > around the yard. I even used it to move a heavy dish-washer once.
> >
> > I also use the tiller bar to mount my rear bucket but I am
> planning to
> > change that.
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:47:47 -0500
> From: "Darryl McMahon" <darryl econogics com>
> Subject: Re: (ET) Tiller information needed
> To: Christopher Zach <czach computer org>
> Cc: 'Elec-trak list' <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
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>
> > > I don't have a snowblower and I'd guess its a bit
> smaller, but it's
> > > HEAVY ... two men have plenty to do loading it.
> >
> > Oh great. Yaknow, I'm really going to need a second shed in
> my yard.
> > Mainly to hold all this *STUFF* I keep installing on the tractor.
>
> I have both the tiller and 36" blower. The blower is
> definitely heavier
> (and I
> have the small version). However, as noted above the tiller is no
> lightweight.
> Definitely a 2-man job to lift it. One person can roll it on
> the tines -
> I've done
> that a few times.
>
> > > Yes, my tractor is wired for a rear PTO with a andersen style
> > > connector - its in parallel with the front PTO so you cannot.
> > > Plus you need a small connector for the lift power (12/18V).
>
> My tiller came with a very long PTO cable. No problem at all
> draping it
> over the
> fender, through the footwell and up to the main PTO at the hood.
>
> >
> > 18 volts is simple enough; I guess that just ties into the tractor.
>
> My tractor came with the rear lift and a plug that hooked up
> to the rear
> 18-volts
> of batteries. Nice offset from the batteries used by the front lift.
>
> >
> > > yes you can. It has separate controls - a switch mounted on top
> > > of it "up-off-down".
> >
> > So you have to reach back to lift/lower it. Is this a pain
> in practice?
>
> Not too bad. You get to know where it is pretty quickly. Of
> course, with
> my small
> garden (short runs), I use this more than most.
>
> >
> > > You will also need the tiller bar which must be mounted
> to the rear
> > > axle. see
> http://markus.lorch.net/et/more-pics/082004-et-tiller-3.jpg
> >
> > This apparently comes with that too. Thanks for posting the picture
> > though, now it makes more sense as to how this all puts
> together. Do you
> > leave that bar on forever, and does it interfere with the
> normal uses
> > for the tractor?
>
> I leave the bar on forever. Good foot holds for extra
> ballast (my son) when
> extra
> traction is required. I have not encountered any significant
> issues with
> the bar,
> other than catching a piece of fence when I took a corner too
> sharp in a
> tight
> maneuvering situation. Makes a handy place to secure rope
> for pulling, e.g.
> taking
> the boat out of the lake in the fall until the trailer is on
> dry ground.
> >
> > Chris
>
> --
> Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/
> It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:52:38 -0500
> From: "Elie, Larry \(L.D.\)" <lelie ford com>
> Subject: RE: (ET) Tiller information needed
> To: <darryl econogics com>, "Christopher Zach" <czach computer org>
> Cc: Elec-trak list <elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu>
> Message-ID:
>
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>
> I too have the long cable. One must keep it tied in front as
> well. Hint on
> moving alone; the pully is geared something like 10 or 20 to
> 1... moving the
> belt or pully with one hand will walk the tiller along a few inches to
> attach. Don't pinch your fingers.
>
> My guess is tiller weighs 280 lbs or so, the 42" tiller
> around 350. The
> tiller has lots of places to grab on to. The blower is far
> more aquard...
> nothing good to hold on to.
>
> Larry Elie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elec-trak-bounces cosmos phy tufts edu on behalf of Darryl
> McMahon
> Sent: Fri 11/12/2004 4:47 PM
> To: Christopher Zach
> Cc: 'Elec-trak list'
> Subject: Re: (ET) Tiller information needed
>
>
>
>
> > > I don't have a snowblower and I'd guess its a bit
> smaller, but
> it's
> > > HEAVY ... two men have plenty to do loading it.
> >
> > Oh great. Yaknow, I'm really going to need a second shed in my
> yard.
> > Mainly to hold all this *STUFF* I keep installing on
> the tractor.
>
> I have both the tiller and 36" blower. The blower is definitely
> heavier (and I
> have the small version). However, as noted above the
> tiller is no
> lightweight.
> Definitely a 2-man job to lift it. One person can roll
> it on the
> tines - I've done
> that a few times.
>
> > > Yes, my tractor is wired for a rear PTO with a
> andersen style
> > > connector - its in parallel with the front PTO so
> you cannot.
> > > Plus you need a small connector for the lift power (12/18V).
>
> My tiller came with a very long PTO cable. No problem at all
> draping it over the
> fender, through the footwell and up to the main PTO at the hood.
>
> >
> > 18 volts is simple enough; I guess that just ties into the
> tractor.
>
> My tractor came with the rear lift and a plug that
> hooked up to the
> rear 18-volts
> of batteries. Nice offset from the batteries used by the front
> lift.
>
> >
> > > yes you can. It has separate controls - a switch
> mounted on top
> > > of it "up-off-down".
> >
> > So you have to reach back to lift/lower it. Is this a pain in
> practice?
>
> Not too bad. You get to know where it is pretty quickly. Of
> course, with my small
> garden (short runs), I use this more than most.
>
> >
> > > You will also need the tiller bar which must be
> mounted to the
> rear
> > > axle. see
> http://markus.lorch.net/et/more-pics/082004-et-tiller-3.jpg
> >
> > This apparently comes with that too. Thanks for posting the
> picture
> > though, now it makes more sense as to how this all
> puts together.
> Do you
> > leave that bar on forever, and does it interfere with
> the normal
> uses
> > for the tractor?
>
> I leave the bar on forever. Good foot holds for extra
> ballast (my
> son) when extra
> traction is required. I have not encountered any
> significant issues
> with the bar,
> other than catching a piece of fence when I took a
> corner too sharp
> in a tight
> maneuvering situation. Makes a handy place to secure rope for
> pulling, e.g. taking
> the boat out of the lake in the fall until the trailer is on dry
> ground.
> >
> > Chris
>
> --
> Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/
> It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?
>
>
>
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