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Re: (ET) Sharing of Documents etc. - copyright laws ?



At 05:29 PM 6/14/2004, John B Reinhard wrote:
I thought, in layman's terms, that the copyright law says you are allowed 
to
make a copy of media (books, magazines, music, etc) for your own personal
use - NOT selling, lending, sharing, etc.

So, if Bill owns the copyrights, we can buy legal originals or copies of
manuals from him, make a copy to get dirty in the workshop, and keep the
clean 'master' from Bill in our clean, dry, storage areas.

Legally, we can't just make copies, until the copyright runs out.
When does that happen?
Has it been renewed?

Anybody clarify this ?


-snip-
Actually, I THINK you must display a "copyright" notice to have a legal 
copyright.  My copy of the GE "homeowner's service manual" does NOT have 
any copyright notice.  It does have a tiny "T" for "trademark" after the 
Elec-Trak name on the cover, but no copyright inside the cover, not even a 
mention of GE!!  I may be splitting hairs here, but I don't think Bill has 
a legal copyright if I am correct about the notice requirement.  Other 
documents may have the notice.  In any case, we have covered this ground 
before when thinking about an archives web site or scanned document 
availability, and the consensus has always been that we wouldn't do 
anything to undermine Bill's business.  We all agreed we should buy a copy 
rather than copy it ourselves.  I'll absolutely agree and abide by that.
However, here's the moral dilemma.  Suppose the new owner of all of Bill's 
stuff refuses to sell or allow the copying of ET related documents.  How do 
we provide ourselves with the documentation necessary to keep them 
going?  I'd suggest we think long and hard about it.  It's possible that 
Bill just sold a "quit claim deed" to the copyrights - he sold whatever 
claim, however good or bad it might be, to the ET documents.  He sold a 
claim that GE (or their successors or assigns) sold to him.  To draw an 
analogy for the sake of clarity - I could claim I owned the Brooklyn Bridge 
(no really, I do) and that you could not make a legal deal to buy it from 
New York City without also buying my claim.  Would you ignore me?  Bill may 
have a very defensible claim to all the ET document copyrights.  He may 
not.  Since Bill has always "played ball" by making copies available at a 
reasonable price, we supported him.  I for one will never copy if the new 
owner wants to sell manuals. But if the next "owner" of the GE copyrights 
doesn't play ball, how will you or I treat him?
As a suggestion - it's a matter of economics on both sides.  If you own a 
copyright to a publication that will sell 10 copies a year, will you spend 
thousands of dollars on an out-of-country lawyer (and maybe one in country 
too) to defend your claim?  I've been there before on trademark issues, and 
the answer is "no."  You just let it go.
By the way - a Gravely newsgroup published a CD full of thousands of pages 
of documents relating to the (now defunct) Gravely two wheel walk behind 
tractor.  So far nobody is doing time.....