We have a game called "Mother Sheep" in which each player receives a card with the names of 5 sheep out of 10 sheep in the game and has to build fences to enclose those 5. After playing, Perry asked whether, if every card were dealt out and 5 sheep were enclosed, then some player would have won. This led to a conversation about how many ways there are to choose 5 sheep out of 10. At firs Perry tried to do it by making patterns among the 10 sheep shown on a card, but that did not work. So I asked him if he wanted some guidance, and the following conversation ensued: Ken: How many ways are there to choose one sheep? Perry: 10. K: How many ways are there to choose 2 sheep if one of them is Bob? P (counts the remaining sheep): 9. K: How many ways are there to choose 2 sheep if one of them is Tabitha? P: 9. K: So how many ways in all are there to choose 2 sheep? P: 90. K: Have we forgotten any possible pairs of sheep? P: No. K: How many times have we counted Bob and Tabitha? P: 2 K: How many times have we counted each pair of sheep? P: 2 K: So how many different ways are there to choose 2 sheep? P: 55! K: 90 divided by 2 is 45. P: 45. K: Now suppose we chose Bob and Tabitha. How many ways are there to choose 3 sheep if 2 are Bob and Tabitha? P (counts remaining sheep): 8 K: So how many ways are there to choose 3 sheep? P: I need help. What's 45 times 8? Judy: 360. P: 360 ways. K: How many times have we counted Bob and Tabitha and Norman? P (count the 3 sheep): 3 K: So we should divide 360 by 3 to get 120 different ways of choosing 3 sheep. Suppose we have 3 sheep already. How many ways are there to choose the fourth sheep? P (counts): 7. K: And how many times have we counted each group of 4? P (who has got the hang of this now): 4 K: So let's divide 120 by 4 first to get 30, then multiply by 7 to get 210 ways of choosing 4 sheep. Now if we have 4 sheep, how many ways can we choose the fifth? P: 6 K: And how many times did we count each group of 5? P: 5 K: So let's divide 210 by 5 first to get 42, then multiply by 6 to get 252. P: 252 ways of choosing 5 sheep! Even if you have all the cards [there are only about 30], you still might not win. Socrates would say that he knew it all along.