Re: [tg] terminology question

[Clark Baker <cmbaker tiac net>]

I believe the “lap” is short for “overlap” and the “dun” may be “don’t”, if that makes any sense.  I forget who created them, but I see the following in my database.

(defcall |dunlap 1//4 tag|

  PHRASE-LEVEL ("c4b"))

(defcall |dunlap concept|

  author ("howell,ross")

  CALLERLAB "c4z")

(defcall |dunlap galaxy|

  PHRASE-LEVEL ("c4b"))

(defcall |dunlap hourglass|

  PHRASE-LEVEL ("c4b"))

(defcall |dunlap hourglass circulate|

  BURLESON (2923)

  DAVIS ("79.02"))

(defcall |dunlap hourglass hourglass circulate|

  left :mirror

  BA (("hourglass" "nswnsens" "12348765" "vhourglass" "wwwnseee" "23815476"))

  LIST-UNDER (|dunlap concept| |hourglass circulate|))

So, I taught my program how to do a dunlap hourglass circulate.

— cmb

On Nov 1, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Kathy Godfrey <kathy godfrey gmail com> wrote:

As Bill says, Clark describes Dunlap hourglasses, but the drawing I made on my old flashcard for Dunlap 

is of Dunlap galaxies, and I also have a vague recollection of someone way back when calling a

Dunlap 1/4 tag call, which would have been the same spots Coop used, but with the outsides facing in as a

couple (which someone would make it easier for me, at least, to see on the fly).

Interestingly, Clark also references Dunlap on the following page (p. 80) of the CSDH, when he discusses Overlapping Diamonds

from a grand wave; he describes the two perpendicular diamonds in each wave of four as being "like Dunlap diamonds."

http://fortytwo.ws/~cbaker/CSDH.pdf

Does anyone know where the term "Dunlap" came from?  I never knew, although I can imagine at least one silly folk etymology.

>>Kathy

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 3:17 PM William Ackerman via tg <tg cosmos phy tufts edu> wrote:

If I understand the question correctly, there is a term from a zillion (well, 46) years ago, called "Dunlap", that seems to describe this unambiguously.  It appeared in Clark Baker's Challenge Square Dancing Handbook in 1978. page 79.  It was described for an hourglass, but it would apply equally well for diamond or general 1/4 tag setups.  The two 8-person setups are effectively on top of each other, perpendicularly and working independently.

While the word "phantom" could possibly enter into peoples' minds while doing this, the fact that there has been so much discussion here of the correct term suggests that that word is not unambiguous.  The word "phantom" is WAY overused, having subtly different meanings in such things as "split phantom lines" and the notion of "C1 phantoms".

On 10/28/2024 12:23 PM, Sue Curtis via tg wrote:

Hi all,

From an "I" or bone formation, Coop wanted us to perceive a setup of  2 overlapped 8-dancer phantom formations, either a 1/4 tag or diamonds.  What terminology would you like us to use for this?  "Overlapped" seems like a relevant word, but "overlapped diamonds" already means something else.

Sue

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