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Re: (ET) re; motor trouble



Insulation resistance and High Potential Testing are means of troubleshooting or evaluating a winding insulation.
 
Insulation is typically made from organic compounds and ages due to time and temperature....theoretically, motor designers establish rules based on temperature rise to see how much they can "push" motor ratings.....remember the old motors that were huge and low horsepower and today they are small, run much warmer with more horsepower?  The reason is early insulation systems used to be able to handle 75C temperature rise and survive a "normal" lifespan and today the newer insulating materials may be able to handle 135C rise with the same lifespan.  Now, for every 10C above rated temperature you run a motor you cut the insulation life in half.....likewise, if a motor runs cooler, it will last longer.
 
Megger Testing evaluates leakage of current through the insulation to ground:
  DC voltage (500V) is applied between the winding and ground and a resistance is read.  New motors would typically have infinite ohms to ground where a real dirty wet motor may actually be grounded.  Thorough cleaning and baking/drying will improve readings.  Minimum recommended reading is 1.5 meg ohms.
 
Hi-Pot testing evaluates a voltage gradient of the insulation without puncture or rupture:
 
DC Hi-Pot:
  This is intended to be a non-destructive test used to determine if a winding has aged or is weakened.  Current is limited by the tester.  It's a leakage test to ground through the insulation.  New windings: 2 x rated volts + 1000V so the ET motor gets 1,072V.....approx 50% on a used motor.  Pass or fail based on leakage current.
 
AC Hi-Pot:
  This is a destructive test.  AC voltage stresses the insulation to try to puncture holes through it.....2 x rated volts + 1000V.   Pass or fail.
Service Shops use this test to show a customer their motor won't last much longer and it won't with this test unless the winding is in really good shape.....now, on new motors or if the shop rewinds a motor, you want to make sure they AC Hi-Pot it to prove their winding job was good. 
 
 I'd recommend not hi-potting any used motors....especially for ET use.  If you want to clean the motor, carefully disassemble it, take it outside and blow it out with clean dry 50psi air and inspect it for any insulation damage at connections, pole pieces, or end of the commutator as these areas can likely be the source of leakage to ground.  You can't use a ohm meter to check for megger as it won't drive enough voltage/current for a good reading.  Look for arcing to ground and repair those areas with epoxy, insulating paint, or varnish.  Brush dust is conductive and gets on everything....mix it with grease/oil and it's a mess.  Do not use solvents to clean a winding as you can wash contaminants down into places you can't get them out of.
  Clean the commutator with a toothbrush and between the segments (where the mica is) with a razor blade or small wire brush.  Hand sand it's surface if it shows any signs of arcing or copper bar damage (you can shoe-shine it).
 When you assemble the motor, replace the bearings....they are cheap and available from local sources (Grainger, etc..).  Heat in a toaster oven to no more than 300F and pop them on.  Lettering on races always faces out.
 
Sorry, I got carried away.....hope this helps.
...Walt
 


From: elec-trak-bounces cosmos phy tufts edu [mailto:elec-trak-bounces cosmos phy tufts edu] On Behalf Of Michael Macdonald
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:18 PM
To: elec-trak cosmos phy tufts edu
Subject: (ET) re; motor trouble

Walter
was wondering if you could explain more fully
"....don't let them hi-pot the windings"
i recently took my snowblower motor in to give it a once over.
result: $120.00 to find out "it is fine"
i need to ask more questions in future.
 
Mac