<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Is your tractor outdoors? Mine is and i have thought it was water but this motor was dry inside.<br>
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Photos soon. Normally happens over winter.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On June 13, 2018 12:54:59 PM EDT, Dean Stuckmann <dstuckmann@icloud.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Maybe I’m just lucky but I’ve been mowing a bit over an acre a week since 1980 between (3) thin motor decks. As far as I can recall, I only had one motor fail due to bent armature (big rock) and one that shorted. Replace bearings between 5-10 years as needed. Brushes were never an issue. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wonder why the huge variations from other users?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Regards,</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Dean A. Stuckmann</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">5432 County Road U</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Newton, WI 53063</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 12, 2018, at 9:06 PM, John Jeno <<a href="mailto:jjjeno@hotmail.com" class="">jjjeno@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I've been looking at replacement deck motors.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I have used the Black and Decker 36v drives and they are still running (2yr - 1acre).</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Another deck has tall motors and the terminal insulation is failing. I could switch a couple out with HD fat drives but would like to try newer drives.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">It seems the TORO 20" model #20360 uses the Ametek CPM-160. About 970watts. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Motor + Fan + base+ blade,washer,nut = $245.87 from E Replacement.</div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">The Neuton CE6 motor setup, <span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class="">Motor + Fan + base+ blade,washer,nut = $138.54.</span></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class=""><br class=""></span></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class="">Anybody have any experience with these mowers?</span></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class=""><br class=""></span></span></div><br class=""><div style="" class=""><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 1092.6875px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Rod Hower <<a href="mailto:rodhower@ameritech.net" class="">rodhower@ameritech.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:45 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Charlie; Christopher Zach; Elec-Trak<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: (ET) Another mower motor blows.</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 標楷體, dfkai-sb; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1528643418012_587684" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1528643418012_587843" class="">I'll check with the guys at work, Ametek-Rotron Lamb electric, build thousands of PM motors, many of which are used as starters and sit beside the engine. I'm sure those guys have some pretty good ideas on which glues hold PM's in place.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ametekdfs.com%2Fdfsbrands%2Fdrivemotors%2Fpmdc-motors&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cea47a1df57ea447d9aa908d5d0c6fbad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644475394115708&sdata=6uIikK05PGJI%2FNj%2BrWdT9fpi7PW5syJzMRGO927391g%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="http://www.ametekdfs.com/dfsbrands/drivemotors/pmdc-motors" shash="fFOKkpjjiJhdp3gwQRwL9j+3+SXiUDf4jStQFq/XeCLrYoHtpPlOk47SjJeo0ouXJrk8gVV9R38/cCiV8zdiF2LRiNfV+dXGmKzsSZtx8k4v75lL2NKB0ydwctMV7NiyTE4UR/jvZ/7sxpQPaXIUJobtPYIqC+IBAhVDlRTOMSE=" id="LPlnk304240" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">http://www.ametekdfs.com/dfsbrands/drivemotors/pmdc-motors</a><br class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1528643418012_587843" class=""></span></div><div class="x_qtdSeparateBR"><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="x_yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: 標楷體, dfkai-sb; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:57 PM, Charlie <<a href="mailto:medievalist@gmail.com" class="">medievalist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></font></div><br class=""><br class=""><div class="x_y_msg_container"><div id="x_yiv2287488327" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Steve Naugler figured out how to reglue the magnets, I think. Somebody did, anyway, you should be able to find it in the mailing list archives.<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><div class="">--Charlie</div></div></div></div><br clear="none" class=""><div class="x_yiv2287488327yqt4388615538" id="x_yiv2287488327yqt86950"><div class="x_yiv2287488327gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:22 PM Chris Zach <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:cz@alembic.crystel.com" id="LPlnk208654" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">cz@alembic.crystel.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote class="x_yiv2287488327gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Well, had the usual deck motor failure. This seems to happen every other<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="">year or so with tall thin motors:<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Mows fine one weekend.<br clear="none" class="">Start mower next weekend, tractor pulls huge amount of current. Blade is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="">stopped.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Blade free-wheels, wiring to motor is smoked.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Take motor top off, commutator is burned, and armature is obviously<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="">shorted. Motor destroyed.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Any idea why this happens? The inside of the motor was dry, no problems,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="">plenty of brush. It's as if the laminates just decide to fail and burn<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="">everything up.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Now to buy some more motors, my supply is low. This never happens to fat<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="">motors, they just have the magnets deglue and shatter all along the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="none" class="">inside. 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